Player Report - Katashi Juro

[FracturedAntler]

Your Byond Key: FracturedAntler

Your Character Name: Maximilian Valentine

Accused Byond Key: Unknown

Character Name: Katashi Juro

Approximate time and date of the incident: ~5:30 Central Time

What rule(s) were broken:
2. Don't Be a Dick
19. Act Like Your Given Role

Description of the incident:
This dude, who's supposed to be a lieutenant in the United States Colonial Marines, apparently speaks entirely in broken English stereotypes. I don't want to get into the debate of "is it racist or not" because it demonstrably is. This is literally just a dude who is using broken English stereotypes that have been used to demean Japanese culture ever since World War II. I'd probably be okay with it if it were used in a funny way or if this was the type of server where everyone is supposed to be a caricature, but neither of those things apply. It really just took me out of the round and I didn't see him as a person or a Staff Officer, just a caricature. And I'd like to say that having a Japanese character is fine, but I just see all too often caricatures of people instead of actual characters.

Evidence:

• "I shall instruct my menaru to HOLDA THE YARDARU!"

• "COMMANDER SAN"

• "CIVARU IS LOST!"

• "I need paperu"

• "Honorable commander, I wish for PFC Jordan to receive a GLORIOUS ACCOMEDATIONARU for HONORABLE conduct"

How you would punish the accused:
Get him to change his character, maybe a command ban if he can't learn to roleplay.

[taketheshot56]

Nah. Not at all, Had him as CO, did his job FANTASTICALLY. Rallied his squad and basically helped win the round. He was roleplaying as a japanese man, and unlike AOI bell it didnt revolve around being racist or being a shitter he simply played it with an accent.
I think his character is interesting and I hope to see more. So lets break it down.

2. Don't Be a Dick
He wasn't a dick he wasn't screaming racial slurs in OOC, he spoke with an accent. Are we going to ban Russians who speak with the typical Russian accent?

19. Act Like Your Given Role
He was acting his role, he played as a staff officer and despite being late, pulled delta squad together and on my orders rallied them for a final push into civ and helped win the round. He perfomed his rule wonderfully and much better than some of the other SOs out there.

Katashi. Keep it up man, I havent seen you too much but from what ive seen youve done good!

[awan]

The play your given role is a bit more broad in general as people realize. It is mostly used against people playing against their race. And it is not an ooc rule to make someone do their job. Or a rule against sucking at your job. Just pointing that out.

[FracturedAntler]

Nah. Not at all, Had him as CO, did his job FANTASTICALLY. Rallied his squad and basically helped win the round. He was roleplaying as a japanese man, and unlike AOI bell it didnt revolve around being racist or being a shitter he simply played it with an accent.
I think his character is interesting and I hope to see more. So lets break it down.

2. Don't Be a Dick
He wasn't a dick he wasn't screaming racial slurs in OOC, he spoke with an accent. Are we going to ban Russians who speak with the typical Russian accent?

19. Act Like Your Given Role
He was acting his role, he played as a staff officer and despite being late, pulled delta squad together and on my orders rallied them for a final push into civ and helped win the round. He perfomed his rule wonderfully and much better than some of the other SOs out there.

Katashi. Keep it up man, I havent seen you too much but from what ive seen youve done good!

Christ you're ignorant. He wasn't speaking with an accent, you don't type with an accent. Japanese people don't scream every work with an "-ARU" at the end or constantly talk about "HONOR!" I'd argue making a mockery of someone's race is worse than just saying a slur.

No, he didn't play his role. You don't get to be a lieutenant in the American military while still speaking broken Engrish.

And this isn't about him being an officer, it's about how he talks, so your comment is irrelevant.

[FracturedAntler]

The play your given role is a bit more broad in general as people realize. It is mostly used against people playing against their race. And it is not an ooc rule to make someone do their job. Or a rule against sucking at your job. Just pointing that out.

Is this directed towards me? I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to say. If it is meant for me I never talked about him sucking at his job, he isn't "playing his given role" because lieutenants in the military should have a grasp on the English language.

[taketheshot56]

Christ you're ignorant. He wasn't speaking with an accent, you don't type with an accent. Japanese people don't scream every work with an "-ARU" at the end or constantly talk about "HONOR!" I'd argue making a mockery of someone's race is worse than just saying a slur.

No, he didn't play his role. You don't get to be a lieutenant in the American military while still speaking broken Engrish.

And this isn't about him being an officer, it's about how he talks, so your comment is irrelevant.

I really don't appreciate having insults leveled at me for my witness statement. Please refer to rule 1 of the reports.

[FracturedAntler]

I really don't appreciate having insults leveled at me for my witness statement. Please refer to rule 1 of the reports.

I'm sorry, would you not call someone equating someone speaking in stereotypical Engrish and someone portraying their culture through their speech ignorant? I would. Nothing "disrespectful" about it, it's just true.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Posting as a character witness

As someone who plays an immigrant character as long as it’s not memey most staff deem it as ok. I use Spanglish all the time and a mix of common Spanish spanish phrases all the time because I roleplay as a Chicano type.

I’ve seen the player in question before and I don’t think what they are doing is racist, as long as they don’t go overboard. However I think they can fix it just a touch and not throw out so many arus and tone it down a wee bit. I think a conversation would handle the small issue, and not a full on command ban.

[FracturedAntler]

Posting as a character witness

As someone who plays an immigrant character as long as it’s not memey most staff deem it as ok. I use Spanglish all the time and a mix of common Spanish spanish phrases all the time because I roleplay as a Chicano type.

I’ve seen the player in question before and I don’t think what they are doing is racist, as long as they don’t go overboard. However I think they can fix it just a touch and not throw out so many arus and tone it down a wee bit. I think a conversation would handle the small issue, and not a full on command ban.

Like I said, if they weren't willing to roleplay as an actual command member than that's when they should get the ban. Also, going full on "-ARU" is way different than speaking like an actual Hispanic immigrant.

[taketheshot56]

Like I said, if they weren't willing to roleplay as an actual command member than that's when they should get the ban. Also, going full on "-ARU" is way different than speaking like an actual Hispanic immigrant.

Except they were acting like a normal command member. They did their job fine and without issue.

[FracturedAntler]

Except they were acting like a normal command member. They did their job fine and without issue.

This literally isn't about their job as a command member, how have you not seen that? This is about the blatant racism and disregard for roleplay guidelines.

[VortexGaming]

Alright, So earlier today I overwatched this guy. Yes he speaks broken English and tbh it kinda annoys me but I do believe its allowed in the rules to speak broken English as an accent. as I can't remember which staff member or I could just be pulling this out of my ass but I'm pretty sure a staff member ruled it as allowed.


Seriously tho don't quote me on this.

[LaKiller8]

Posting as a character witness, even though I was directly involved in the round I didn't really interract with this guy besides hearing him on comms. Yes, it might be a bit annoying at times but 99% of the people are enjoying it and brings a new, fresh spirit to the game. I don't think he is crossing the line even though he is pretty close to it. The english is not too broken, it's understandable and genuinely funny. Not everyone should be the silent noname unga that dies 20 minutes in. He also managed the impossible last round, he got delta to line up https://puu.sh/BfyLh/3eba23dcda.png instantly gaining their respect.

[Bancrose]

Character Witness, I observed this round, so I caught a glimpse of some of things hes saying. While it might be cringey, I honestly see nothing wrong about it. He didn't really neglect his duty as XO and he didn't even do bad at all. On a side note, I mean I throw german words randomly that doesn't fit in english sentences. To even make a comparison out of this, it would be like telling Masamune he can't use japanese words in his sentences. You're even being a bit toxic on this report, which shows me its not him thats the actual problem here.

[Mizari]

I dont see anything wrong with this, perhaps it may be annoying but theres no actual rule against it at the end of the day however, the player could always touch it up a bit so he doesn't go overboard.

[awan]

Is this directed towards me? I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to say. If it is meant for me I never talked about him sucking at his job, he isn't "playing his given role" because lieutenants in the military should have a grasp on the English language.

It has been ruled in the past that it is more of a play for your team rule. And not an ooc rule to follow the roleplay guidelines. I am trying to clarify that a bit.

[caleeb101]

This sounds like a salty cry to me. The guy did nothing wrong. He's just trying to play out a unique trait and honestly, he's doing a good job of it. He has more personality than half the other playerbase who have planks for personalities ICly. And while doing that, he played his role as XO well so.. it seems to me like you're just shifting the blame onto him because "reee he played japanese character and me no like"

[FracturedAntler]

This sounds like a salty cry to me. The guy did nothing wrong. He's just trying to play out a unique trait and honestly, he's doing a good job of it. He has more personality than half the other playerbase who have planks for personalities ICly. And while doing that, he played his role as XO well so.. it seems to me like you're just shifting the blame onto him because "reee he played japanese character and me no like"

Mods, remove this for Rules 1 and 2.

Character Witness, I observed this round, so I caught a glimpse of some of things hes saying. While it might be cringey, I honestly see nothing wrong about it. He didn't really neglect his duty as XO and he didn't even do bad at all. On a side note, I mean I throw german words randomly that doesn't fit in english sentences. To even make a comparison out of this, it would be like telling Masamune he can't use japanese words in his sentences. You're even being a bit toxic on this report, which shows me its not him thats the actual problem here.

Posting as a character witness, even though I was directly involved in the round I didn't really interract with this guy besides hearing him on comms. Yes, it might be a bit annoying at times but 99% of the people are enjoying it and brings a new, fresh spirit to the game. I don't think he is crossing the line even though he is pretty close to it. The english is not too broken, it's understandable and genuinely funny. Not everyone should be the silent noname unga that dies 20 minutes in. He also managed the impossible last round, he got delta to line up https://puu.sh/BfyLh/3eba23dcda.png instantly gaining their respect.

I dont see anything wrong with this, perhaps it may be annoying but theres no actual rule against it at the end of the day however, the player could always touch it up a bit so he doesn't go overboard.

Yeah, using an accent isn't against the rules. But you guys are literally missing the point and I can't tell if it's intentional or not. I'm trying to say that it is *racist.* Intentionally racist, which *is* against the rules. And yes, using an accent this strong and this unrealistic *is* against the rules because lieutenants in the American military don't speak like someone who recently learned English. And oh yeah, it's not a fucking realistic accent. No one talks like that, people have only rarely talked like that and it's been turned into a stereotype.

[Jayfeather]

I’ve had this guy as my Squad Leader and SO. He does what few leaders can do. He can inspire with character alone. I’ve seen marines under his command do some incredibly dangerous tactics that work, or blow up horribly. He also has a personality under the accent that makes his character quite fun to talk to and tease on the occasion. He plays his selected roles extremely well, and his intentions are quite fine. Just because he talks a tad silly shouldn’t mean he should be barred from having fun with Katashi. You might as well also claim that the folks who play those broken english russians shouldn’t be trying to play something unique.

[FracturedAntler]

I’ve had this guy as my Squad Leader and SO. He does what few leaders can do. He can inspire with character alone. I’ve seen marines under his command do some incredibly dangerous tactics that work, or blow up horribly. He also has a personality under the accent that makes his character quite fun to talk to and tease on the occasion. He plays his selected roles extremely well, and his intentions are quite fine. Just because he talks a tad silly shouldn’t mean he should be barred from having fun with Katashi. You might as well also claim that the folks who play those broken english russians shouldn’t be trying to play something unique.

I don't have a problem with the way he talks because it's the way he talks, if there were no context behind it I wouldn't give a shit. But there is context behind it, it's just like literally borderline racist. If I saw a broken English speaking Russian in a command role I'd still think it was unrealistic. The major difference is that Russian people speaking English will actually talk like that, when "Katashi" talks it's literally just pure stereotypes about Japanese people.

[Loco52]

Your Byond Key: FracturedAntler

Your Character Name: Maximilian Valentine

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Evidence:

• "I shall instruct my menaru to HOLDA THE YARDARU!"

• "COMMANDER SAN"

• "CIVARU IS LOST!"

• "I need paperu"

• "Honorable commander, I wish for PFC Jordan to receive a GLORIOUS ACCOMEDATIONARU for HONORABLE conduct"

How you would punish the accused:
Get him to change his character, maybe a command ban if he can't learn to roleplay.

I'ill give my insight here as i've watched this man play. He is good at what he does and is fucking hilarious, there's no need to get offended by a minor (even ridiculous to me, I doubt any -real- japanese would be offended by his mocking) stereotype over IC which is by all means not punishable. Don't mess with katashiduru please he doesn't deserve a ban.

There's absolutely no rule this man has broken while developing his character and I believe that if admins try to force him into changing a roleplay style he and many around him find enjoyable it'll just ruin the whole player experience for a man who did nothing wrong. Heck, he might even end up quitting in disappointment and no one wants that.

[Denied_Existence]

I have no opinion on whether this can be considered racist or not. I just can't take the guy seriously when he's my SL or LT.

It's not against the rules as far as I know, but it feels like what most would consider LRP.

[Chaznoodles]

LT Katashi Juro [Command (SO)] says, "Herro Commander san I am awakearu"
LT Katashi Juro [Almayer (SO)] says, "I'm swedisharu"
LT Katashi Juro [Almayer (SO)] says, "Menu geta to the DROPUSHIPU"
LT Katashi Juro [Command (SO)] asks, "Xo what is the reasonu for thisu?"
LT Katashi Juro [Command (SO)] says, "Oleg, youra orders are toa FOLLOW CHARRIE with tanku"
LT Katashi Juro [Almayer (SO)] says, "Sl geta with the tanku"
LT Katashi Juro [Command (SO)] asks, "For whattu?"
LT Katashi Juro [Almayer (SO)] asks, "Sl did you gettu some snackus?"
CPL James Castleton [MedSci (Med)] says, "My LT wants to make Kobearu beefaru kebabarus."
LT Katashi Juro [MedSci (SO)] says, "NEED MEDICU FOR CHARRIE SQUAD READER"
LT Katashi Juro [Command (SO)] says, "Charrie isa covering tanku"
LT Katashi Juro [Charlie (SO)] says, "Sl you need surgeryaru"
LT Katashi Juro [Req (SO)] says, "Requ we needu NADEARUS and MAG BOXES for charrie"
LT Katashi Juro [Command (SO)] says, "Commander san, I have good OB but it is dangeru closu I needa you to anounce retreataru so we don'tu kill own menu"
LT Katashi Juro [Engi (SO)] says, "I am gettina COORDARUS now"


Here's a fine selection I gathered in just one round of on-and-off attention. If everyone else is supposed to play realistic(ish) characters, why does this guy get a pass to play a literal cartoon that breaks any kind of immersion? Am I allowed to run around as Marcellus Mason calling everyone 'my nigga' and threaten to pop a cap in everyone's ass to rep my Crip homeboys if this report doesn't pass?

[x31stOverlord]

Personal input:

The level that he takes it too may be too much, whilst the occasional comment like that might be a bit funny, if it is every other thing he says it takes it a bit too far.

Hell, I was warned before for saying "Gutentag" once as the round started way back when. I don't think this should be allowed to go forward with as much as he does.

[FracturedAntler]

I'ill give my insight here as i've watched this man play. He is good at what he does and is fucking hilarious, there's no need to get offended by a minor (even ridiculous to me, I doubt any -real- japanese would be offended by his mocking) stereotype over IC which is by all means not punishable. Don't mess with katashiduru please he doesn't deserve a ban.

There's absolutely no rule this man has broken while developing his character and I believe that if admins try to force him into changing a roleplay style he and many around him find enjoyable it'll just ruin the whole player experience for a man who did nothing wrong. Heck, he might even end up quitting in disappointment and no one wants that.

"Playing an unrealistic cartoon character is okay if it's funny."