Staff Report: Multiple Staff

[Stumpy Buckford]

Your Byond Key: Dragon Warrior2662

Your Character Name: Tuck 'Stumpy' Buckford

Their Byond key: All Admins and Moderators Online at the time ~11:30 a.m. EST, 10:30 a.m. CST, detailed in the screenshot below.


Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 10:30 a.m. CST, November 28, 2018

Which Staff Protocols (http://www.cm-ss13.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken: 1. Preserve the RP and enjoyment of the server. 2. Enforcement of the rules.

Description of the incident: Marines deployed at 12:20, and wiped the entire hive(except those who fled or were lucky enough to get through the tunnel quickly enough) by 12:30 game time. Marines, as well as the staff, claimed that, "A crusher led them straight to the hive." Apparently, a single crusher requires 3 full squads to chase down and kill it, because there were at least 3 squads attacking us at the time. I continue to draw back to the rules, to which I quote,
"Rule 6. No Metagaming or Metacommunication - . . . Examples: . . . "Ramboing" - Chasing down aliens immediately after the first contact, directly to their hive."" The job of the staff is to enforce the rules during games, and ensure the enjoyment of everybody playing. The staff as of recently is completely negligent of their duties, and only seem to ever enforce the rules they want to enforce, to the point where they won't even enforce something explicitly detailed in the rules as what not to do when playing CM. I am utterly fed up with hearing, "What do you want us to do, ban the whole server?" Because there is a reason people still do metarush, and it is because they know the staff won't do anything. There was a time where metarushes never happened, but staff didn't straight up ban the whole server every day either. The people in these positions have the power to change what is happening without banning people, but they refuse to do so.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): I attempted to acquire evidence from the staff, to which I was ignored, So I do not have exact timestamps, but I know that marines were deployed at 12:20, and I was under attack at our hive as I was maturing as a boiler, so I estimate that they were in the hive at approximately (50 ticks as larva on weeds, 200 ticks to spitter, 250 to boiler, 800 to mature equals a total of 1300, divided by sixty gives me about 22 minutes) approximately 12:22. If staff changes their minds and wants to present the exact logged times here, I am fine with that.


How you would punish the accused: Demotion or a probationary period, along with a full review of their comprehension of the rules.

[Avalanchee]

There was a Ravager in medsec, Defender at the Crashed ship and a spitter + boiler at Max Sec monitoring.

[KittyHawkpilot019]

I was on delta overwatch this round, the xenos lead them from medium sec to crashed ship and so on. We also saw you spamming in ahelps, so this may be salt.

[Imperator_Titan]

About 7 xenomorphs of various tiers were spawned in to aid the xenomorphs, one I explicitly recall being a mature ravager so yes, measures were taken to aid the xenomorphs however at that point it became futile.

[Stumpy Buckford]

I was on delta overwatch this round, the xenos lead them from medium sec to crashed ship and so on. We also saw you spamming in ahelps, so this may be salt.

When you say that marines were lead, you are literally descibing the exact scenario laid out in the rules. Again, "Rule 6. No Metagaming or Metacommunication - . . . Examples: . . . "Ramboing" - Chasing down aliens immediately after the first contact, directly to their hive."" Being lead is the same as chasing. If you want to call it salt, that is fine, but I am salty because nobody is enforcing a basic rule of the game.

[Avalanchee]

When you say that marines were lead, you are literally descibing the exact scenario laid out in the rules. Again, "Rule 6. No Metagaming or Metacommunication - . . . Examples: . . . "Ramboing" - Chasing down aliens immediately after the first contact, directly to their hive."" Being lead is the same as chasing. If you want to call it salt, that is fine, but I am salty because nobody is enforcing a basic rule of the game.

I am not sure if you're aware of the fact that marines were engaged by the xenos first (rav)

[Chatillon]

Marines had orders to restore Engineering. At Engineering we found a survivor defending himself from 3 xenos and a dead crusher. At the moment, we see a human defending himself from 3 aliens with big claws and spitting acid, I suppose that we can say that killing and chasing aliens isn't Metagamming right? + Xeno Harass was omnipresent all the way around and survivor gave some information to the marine he saw if my memory is correct.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Pulling logs:

Round started around
[10:06:37]ADMIN: XXXXXXX/(Cletus Bo'Jackson) has been assigned as Alpha Squad Medic


Command annoucement about drop

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[10:30:11]SAY: XXXXXXXXX/(Andrey Rogovyk) has made Command Announcement: Command Announcement - --------------- 7th Batallion Announcement ---------------

Drop at 12:27.

Alpha and Delta -- scout south.

Bravo -- FOB.

First Contact/Attack

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[10:33:01]ATTACK: Christine 'Rabies' Kennel (XXXXXXX) shot the Elder Runner (811) (fukfuk) with a rifle bullet in the Warden's Secretary's Office (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=221;Y=140;Z=1'>JMP</a>)

Queen Annoucement to pull back

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[10:33:33]ADMIN: XXXXXXX/(Elder Queen) has created a Word of the Queen report:
[10:33:33]ADMIN: <br><h2 class='alert'>The words of the queen reverberate in your head...</h2><br><span class='alert'>Everyone BACK TO THE HIVE NOW LOTS OF TALLS.</span><br>

Bio Scan report of exact numbers

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[10:33:58]ADMIN: A bioscan/Queen Mother message has completed. Humans: 40 on the planet and 22 on the ship. Xenos: 17 on the planet and 0 on the ship.

Another Command Annoucement

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[10:34:24]SAY: XXXXXXXX/(Andrey Rogovyk) has made Command Announcement: Command Announcement - --------------- 7th Batallion Announcement ---------------

Hostile fauna is reported. They are KoS.
Also, survivors in Warden's office.
Stay in groups. Continue following orders.

--------------- End of Transmission --------------- - Amelie Beatrix (Commanding Officer)

Heavy Fighting shows combat between xenos and FF on other marines during 10:35

Marines attack ravager

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[10:36:54]ATTACK: Bill 'Ass' Bashline (XXXXXXX) shot the Young Ravager (378) (XXXXXXXX) with a rifle bullet in the Medium-Security Cellblock North

Xenos find marines at crashed ship

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[10:37:19]HIVEMIND: BlingX3/(Elder Defender (220)) : Talls near crashed shop

Command Annoucement

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[10:38:38]SAY: XXXXXXXXX/(Amelie Beatrix) has made Command Announcement: Command Announcement - All Marine personnel, this is Captain Beatrix.

We have unconfirmed reports regarding the situation aboard the station. This is -Still- classified as a Search and Rescue operation.


Be reminded that, despite this being a -Prison-, there will be civilians present. Do -NOT- fire first and ask questions later. That's a very short and simple way to get Weyland-Yutani Legal up our collective hindquarters'.

There -Are- confirmed reports of hostile fauna aboard. If it isn't running on two legs, you're clear to shoot it dead.

The central ring of the prison is on automatic lockdown, which -Should- lift at roughly 12:50. Harden the LZ until then, and keep your eyes open.

- Amelie Beatrix (Commanding Officer)

an ahelp from reporter was sent

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[10:38:30]ADMIN: HELP: XXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458)): Textbook definition of Ramboing? - heard by 4 non-AFK admins.
[10:39:00]ADMIN: PM: Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong)->XXXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458)): Going off alone and killing the aliens. Kinda pointless as xenos are a lot tougher now then back when times
[10:39:45]ADMIN: PM: XXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458))->Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong): Dude they have already flanked us...
[10:40:11]ADMIN: PM: Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong)->XXXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458)): That&#39;d be a meta rush, do your best to disway them
[10:40:31]ADMIN: PM: Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong)->XXXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458)): Well depends on the circumstances, cause if an alien led them to the hive, it&#39;s valid
[10:40:53]ADMIN: PM: XXXXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458))->Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong): Except that Ramboing is fucking definition in the rules metarushing.
[10:42:43]ADMIN: PM: XXXXXXXXX/(Jasper Armstrong)->Dragon warrior2662/(Mature Boiler (458)): The one I was stating was in back when times, and it also seemed an alien lead the marines here
Player sends Senior mentor rules about metagaming
[10:46:30]ADMIN: PM: Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong)->XXXXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458)): This time, I can only say that the aliens led the marines to the hive, not my word, another staff memeber&#39;s word
[10:46:38]ADMIN: PM: XXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458))->Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong): Rule 6. No Metagaming - &#34;Ramboing&#34; - Chasing down aliens immediately after the first contact, directly to their hive.
[10:47:12]ADMIN: PM: XXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458))->Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong): If I could edit my text, I would underline that bold face it and make it 100 size font.
[10:47:23]ADMIN: PM: Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong)->XXXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458)): Yes I get it, but I am recalling &#34;Ramboing&#34; from a different time, applogies for the misunderstanding
[10:47:36]ADMIN: PM: XXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458))->Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong): It isn&#39;t a misunderstanding.
[10:47:54]ADMIN: PM: XXXXXXX/(Jasper Armstrong)->Dragon warrior2662/(Mature Boiler (458)): Let me rephrase my answer
[10:48:15]ADMIN: PM: XXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458))->Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong): It is explicitly detailed in the rules when I click, &#34;RULES&#34; as an example of what not to do. It is a failure to enforce the rules which are detailed.
[10:49:01]ADMIN: PM: XXXXXXX/(Mature Boiler (458))->Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong): I&#39;m not mad at you by the way, I apologize that you get the brunt of my anger because the admins refuse to do anything ever.
[10:51:02]ADMIN: PM: XXXXXX/(Bloody Larva (210))->Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong): Do mentors have access to the logs?
[10:51:26]ADMIN: PM: Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong)->XXXXXXX/(Bloody Larva (210)): No saddy, but you can try and ahelp again to resolve this problem with an admin

CO Sent an ahelp as well

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[10:40:21]ADMIN: HELP: XXXXXX/(Amelie Beatrix): Right. To be completely fair, this is the Captain, and I did -Not-.. Order the entirety of the Marine Force to immediately attack the civilian residences. Trying to get a grip on this situation, but I can&#39;t guarantee anything. - heard by 7 non-AFK admins.
[10:40:45]ADMIN: PM: Imperator_Titan/(Ed Trevor)->XXXXXXX/(Amelie Beatrix): All good. I'm handling it anywho.
[10:41:46]ADMIN: PM: XXXXXXX/(Amelie Beatrix)->Imperator_Titan/(Ed Trevor): If y&#39;all could make an announcement defending my decision to try and pull them back, I&#39;d appreciate that. Not asking for any favors, here, but I don&#39;t want to be known as an idiot.
[10:41:59]ADMIN: PM: Imperator_Titan/(Ed Trevor)->XXXXXX/(Amelie Beatrix): Nah it's all good, best just keep at it at this point.

At 10:41:43, Imperator_Titan spawns reinforcements for the Xenos


Command Annoucement

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[10:43:44]SAY: XXXXXXX/(Amelie Beatrix) has made Command Announcement: Command Announcement - All Marine Personnel.

Despite charging gung-ho into the abyss like a bunch of trigger-happy West Point drop-outs, you're currently engaging the bulk of the hostile force aboard the station.

These creatures likely caused this mess, so.. Wipe them out. Heavy support has been authorized. Artillery and air strikes. Do what you will. - Amelie Beatrix (Commanding Officer)

Mod chat

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[10:42:00]ADMIN: MOD: Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong) : would this be a meta rush?
[10:42:11]ADMIN: MOD: Sargeantmuffinman/(Jasper Armstrong) : it&#39;s 12:35
[10:42:15]ADMIN: MOD: Kittyhawkpilot019/(Erich Bishop) : seems like xenos lead them

Reporter sends ahelp

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[10:54:08]ADMIN: HELP: Dragon warrior2662/(Bloody Larva (210)): Will you check the logs for me for the exact time of First Contact(approximately when the Ravager died) and the time the queen reverberated in my head, &#34;MIDDLE HALLWAYS ON HIVE&#34;? - heard by 7 non-AFK admins.

Rouned ended at:
[11:07:13]GAME: Antagonists at round end were...

[KittyHawkpilot019]

Marines had orders to restore Engineering. At Engineering we found a survivor defending himself from 3 xenos and a dead crusher. At the moment, we see a human defending himself from 3 aliens with big claws and spitting acid, I suppose that we can say that killing and chasing aliens isn't Metagamming right? + Xeno Harass was omnipresent all the way around and survivor gave some information to the marine he saw if my memory is correct.

Was this the round with the 12:40 win? that was the round after this report

[Stumpy Buckford]

Was this the round with the 12:40 win? that was the round after this report

Correct, that was the round immediately after this one. This round would have ended, it appears just as fast, but a few Xenos managed to evade death for 20 minutes. I guess the issue is that spawning in extra Xenos after the marines have fully encircled the hive, killed most of us, and destroyed the hive does not seem like a valuable response. All we ended up with is still 30 marines(probably overstating somewhat) relentlessly destroying the Xenos in their hive. It actually makes me happy to know that the Commander actually tried to get them to stop, but I remember a time when if marines did this, they would have had a bomb dropped on them. That, to me, is an appropriate response, as it FORCES marines to back off and help the wounded, or fight with significantly less numbers, which would have balanced the situation. Spawning in extra Xenos to an already shit situation is just feeding the wolves, and there was no way at the time they were spawned in that the Xenos could have stopped the marines, whom were already attacking from North, South, and East. The extra Xenos also do nothing to make marines consider stopping the next time they try do this.

Also, thank you for adding the logs, it still seems like my estimate of time passed was about right, although my times themselves were off. The marines found a runner, but really first contact other than that was the fighting at 10:35, and I was AHelping at 10:38, which means the marines got from the library to civilian residences in 3 minutes. But yeah Jake, I actually think I accounted for too much boosted evolution, as I considered each tick to be approximately one second.

Marines had orders to restore Engineering. At Engineering we found a survivor defending himself from 3 xenos and a dead crusher. At the moment, we see a human defending himself from 3 aliens with big claws and spitting acid, I suppose that we can say that killing and chasing aliens isn't Metagamming right? + Xeno Harass was omnipresent all the way around and survivor gave some information to the marine he saw if my memory is correct.

You are kind of correct, in that killing and chasing aliens isn't really metagaming. What is metagaming, in this situation, is chasing them the entire way across the map with the entire marine force. What you are interpreting and calling, "Harassing," could easily be interpreted as trying to slow you down from a Xeno perspective. But really, even with that, how much harassing could have possibly been done in the 3 minutes it took the marine force to get to Civilian Residences? When I play marine, I normally try to role play a little bit, and when a survivor says, "Big bad things in Civilian Residences!" I typically call them crazy and tell them to go see the doctors on the Almayer. I don't think marines are supposed to just take everything the survivors on a prison station say as fact.

[slc97]

The metarushing rule is to stop a single xeno from ruining the round for the entire hive. If multiple xenos are connecting and bringing the fight back to the hive, that's their fault.

So your suggestion is that we demote 7 staff members over this situation that isn't a true transgression of procedure?

[NGGJamie]

Given Imperator's statement, it seems like the staff on-duty, or at least the Admins, did attempt to rectify the situation. Even if the attempt may not have been terribly effective. I will also point out that finding the exact cause of a metarush mid-round can be extremely difficult, and not all metarushes are done maliciously. While there are some who might attempt to use a single runner as a reason to valid the alien hive, it only requires one baldie to run in and cause an unga reaction to follow behind him and create a metarush.

If the staff online could have more effectively stopped it or located the source in a timely manner, I'm sure they would have. But in this particular case, it does not seem like intentional neglect.

Closed.