FOB's Of CM Past

[Karmac]

bump, engineers need to get back into this and help me to abuse all the bugs so FOB's reach maximum autism levels.

[Karmac]

added two new images, one to the first image thingy and one to the other, just to prove I'm still alive

[Steelpoint]

Most good FoBs are just common sense. But you need to account for Marine traffic and alien zones of attack.

A nexus FoB in of itself is useless since Aliens will just flank and attack LZ1 directly, or melt through cargo and attack your rearlines.

Good FoBs, from my experience, are a natural extension of a LZ1 FoB that grow organically and remain interconnected at all times.

Of course you'll need a shit ton of metal to do this, so you'll have to bug cargo for more and more metal, which is why I kinda want a separate Engineering Squad so the Engineers can get their own Supply Beacons.

On that note, sandbags are something you use to either reinforce a already made FoB, or something you use on the frontline. A metal barricade + sandbag makes for a solid defence but the massive investment time into filling sandbags makes it prohibitive on a large scale.

[Karmac]

the LZ image I provided used materials I had available to me at round start, so I'd essential created a secure enough LZ to withstand a decent attack using only 1 squad's worth of materials, this was during a round where the other 3 squads had engineers as well so considering the resources available I'd say it was an acceptable investment, and I do agree with the interconnection business, I've seen people do it before and even plain 'ol metal barricades with barbed wire stopping xenos going wherever they want along paths between the FOB, the LZ, and the central fighting zone make a difference. Mobility vs Defendability will always be an issue with FOB's, whether you have the supplies to afford either thing or both usually determines the outcome, but I feel sometimes it's better to force marines to adapt to situations with less mobility, they're never gonna learn not to help intent shuffle if it doesn't get them killed after all, hehe.

[Steelpoint]

One squad's worth of resources is all well and good until you have to split that with a second engineer who wastes his half of the share making barricades in some god forbidden corner. The harsh limits of round start resources to engineers slightly puts me off the role.

Aliens win on mobility so having a good set of interconnected defences that limit xeno mobility is a big win, while a long line of barricades, say from nexus to hydro, can be a long and expensive task but it is worthwhile as it creates a mostly secure area for marines to move through, toss in one or two plasteel barricades for extra Marine mobility and its a pretty good deal.

Make sure to isolate sections of the barricades so if one area falls the humans can move back to a second section and have forward facing barricades/plasteel so its not just a literal shooting gallery with Humans having no fall back defence.

[Nightwolf901]

Good FOBs, Sadly I was reminded of Sully defenses and now I remember the good old times we had with them. Also Poor T-Comms FOB. Will always be remembered.

[Voldirs]

I remember the shock-fences, m-m-m... Good-good salty times

[WinterClould]

I feel like the plans that Ive made for a LZ-1 FOB that starts off with a core of sandbag defenses expanded by lines of metal branching out is quite strong. You want your inner core layer of defenses in the FOB to be the strongest because that's the layer protecting your life and eventual evac route. You gotta use sandbags for the core because of their really high HP, problem with sandbags is you cant repair them so you have to defend them with another layer of metal barricades past that so meme runners/hunters cant damage your valuable shit. This is pretty good because it encourages you to expand outwards and form second and third lines once you start getting more material from cargo. Even if cargo eats ass and doesn't sent you anything, eh at least your LZ is strongish?

I've also been seeing some really really bad shit lately in the FOB's. People who build inside the empty space in LZ-1 make me fucking reee. They think because there's a big open space it needs to be filled with barricades. Fuckin dumb asses don't know the first thing about mobility and having space to maneuver/dodge so they just make the FOB cramped and impossible to move in and out off. Same thing with the people who make their plasteel barricades alternate positions each line deep. Its fuckin stupid. Dont make your fellow marines have to weave thought the lines, it makes dragging someone on a roller bed almost impossible. A straight line in and out is always the best path, making marines take extra steps only helps the xenos. Also one entrance and exit is ALWAYS going to end poorly, always give marines two paths in and out so they don't get bottle necked and fucked.

Im going to start trying to take screenshots more often of good and bad FOB layouts so I can shit on peoples garbage work and see how you guys feel about the ones I like. Maybe we can spread the message a little and help our fellow marine engineers stop fucking people over with garbage FOB's so hard it could be considered ERP.

[Karmac]

That's basically why I made this thread in the first place so go for it man

[Karmac]

Just a friendly reminder that if anyones got FOB tips or any images they wanna store for safe keeping or just cool FOBs you wanna show to everybody feel free to post em in here.

[Surrealistik]

Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational sentry wall...

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[Karmac]

Peace through superior firepower, amen.

[HKO20006]

Bad FOB and sentry placement, the metal barricades on both sides block Sentry

[Karmac]

Remember not to extend your lines out too far if you don't have the men to man them, that image right there is a good example, as well as a recent big red round I saw that included a very nice, large LZ1 defence line extending over to the medical and sec entrances, but we didn't have the marines to hold it so it fell in minutes.

[MChosen]

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(can't attach screenshot, because its too big)

[Karmac]

I saw this one briefly that round, very nice.

[juliansl]

This is a particularily nasty one from Big Red:

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[Swagile]

Prison LZ-1 is like Ice Colony LZ-1 before they put an obvious and easily exploited backend to it.

[juliansl]

Prison LZ-1 is like Ice Colony LZ-1 before they put an obvious and easily exploited backend to it.

Yeah, but I noticed today that the engineers had built most of the barricades facing the lz!

[HKO20006]

The two cades limit firing marines' angles, even the marine just east of the cades got his round blocked sometimes.

[Caryl]

We need those Sulaco LO Line Defenses.

Anyone got any pics to the Pre-Alpha Bases?

[HKO20006]

Good Engies win marine rounds, finally see a win after the later join larva update.

[Karmac]

o o f