Permanent Ban

[Youbar]

Your Byond ID: Youbar

Character Name: Yamagata Aritomo

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban): Permaban

Admin who banned you (if known): Host

Total Ban Duration: Permanent

Remaining Duration: Indefinite

What other servers do you play on?
Aurora Station, Yogstation

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones?
Been banned on this server a lot. No others.

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):
"Z-Multikeying Scumbay - This ban can not be appealed."

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable): N/A

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc):
I'm not entirely sure what's happened here. Haven't ever done any sort of multikeying or griefing on any SS13 servers for a long time (last time was as FriedKetchup, but that was 2015).
As far as I know, Apophis said it was from using a VPN. I turned it off, but that didn't appear to help. Access is still denied. Might have something to do with getting a new ISP and router recently.

Not sure if it's liftable, but I might as well try appealing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[VitorThauma]

Notes

► Show Spoiler

Ran onto the Nostormo as an MP to just get crayons and a pink suit was warned not to do it again by (X) on Wed, July 8th of 2015

Behaved in a sadistic manner which resulted in the death of another player. He was exceptionally honest and apologetic when confronted. This has been met with a warning about behaving in an unrealistic manner for a marine. by (X) on Thu, July 9th of 2015

Gave self additional access and job name as LO. by (X) on Fri, July 10th of 2015

Banned from Commander, Logistics Officer - Ignorant of LO job rules (2 offenses in same round) left all access ID in computer. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Fri, July 10th of 2015 Remove

Warning - Giving out additional access to a delta standard - research access. by (X) on Tue, July 14th of 2015

15-min ban. Rule 6 violation (IC in LOOC): "(R)LOOC: Youbar: Take the alien off my face. (R)LOOC: Youbar: It takes a while for them to infect." by (X) on Thu, July 16th of 2015

Jumped down disposals and gave a shoddy excuse, he's been given one warning. by (X) on Fri, July 17th of 2015

30-minutes ban. Rule 1 Violation (griefing): Fed a marine with a full bottle of vodka. The marine passed out and had to be admin healed. Short ban because he apparently did not know the amount of harm he was causing. by (X) on Fri, July 17th of 2015

Warned to change name, "Hirohito Showa" Japanese Emperor of ww2 by (X Wed, April 27th of 2016

Ordered a metarush about 10 minutes into landing as CO. Still did not understand why it was a metarush. This is his only warning for this offense. If it happens again, it should be an immediate jobban. by (X) on Sat, September 3rd of 2016

Banned from Commander - Ordered a metarush at round start and then improperly had someone executed. Did not make an announcement, was not present for execution. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Sat, September 3rd of 2016 Remove

Banned by X|Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: EORG by (X) on Sun, November 27th of 2016


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[Emeraldblood]

Did you leave your VPN on while logging in, even once? That's what it seems like happened, but just to make sure we're on the same page. When you pull a sticky ban, it sticks to your ckey so the only way to get it off you now is through this system.

[Feweh]

You most likely logged on with your VPN still on.

[Youbar]

Did you leave your VPN on while logging in, even once? That's what it seems like happened, but just to make sure we're on the same page. When you pull a sticky ban, it sticks to your ckey so the only way to get it off you now is through this system.

You most likely logged on with your VPN still on.

That's probably what happened, yeah. I use the VPN mainly for viewing Netflix content that isn't available in my country, but it's not uncommon for me just to leave it running while I do other stuff, since it doesn't slow down my internet that much.

[Emeraldblood]

Do you normally turn it off to play CM, or do you leave it running when you get on?

[Youbar]

Do you normally turn it off to play CM, or do you leave it running when you get on?

It's normally off. I play SS13 as a whole pretty infrequently, so it's easy to slip up on that aspect. I've put a note on my monitor about it, though, so it shouldn't happen again when I get unbanned.

[Emeraldblood]

Alright. We're going to be looking into it soon. Just hold out until then. Is there no bancode in the perma notice?

[Youbar]

Alright. We're going to be looking into it soon. Just hold out until then. Is there no bancode in the perma notice?

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No, unfortunately not.

[slc97]

Are you familiar with the ckeys noahgoldfox, cheapone, or ispysomethingblack?

[Youbar]

Are you familiar with the ckeys noahgoldfox, cheapone, or ispysomethingblack?

Never heard of them.

[slc97]

Okay, well here's the thing, your CID matches both Cheapone and Noahgoldfox. A VPN wouldn't fuck with your CID, so now it looks to us as we're investigating this, props to Vitor for running the logs, like you're multikeying again.

[Youbar]

Okay, well here's the thing, your CID matches both Cheapone and Noahgoldfox. A VPN wouldn't fuck with your CID, so now it looks to us as we're investigating this, props to Vitor for running the logs, like you're multikeying again.

What? I'm a bit skeptical here. Can you show me some logs or something, of me attempting to connect, and my CID matching with theirs? I have no idea why that'd happen, since I don't have a reason to multikey at all (I was never banned recently on any server), and I have a completely clean slate across the SS13 community.

EDIT:



This might explain it.

[apophis775]

Looks like it was a misunderstanding. Cheapone and NoahGoldFox were 2 of the hits by the VPN detector.

I can fix this, but it will take some time. It triggered 18 of the 20 detectors, which means I have to literally write 18 exceptions by hand.

I also suggest you never use that VPN again, as I won't be doing this again, and that VPN is obviously associated with some bad shit.

Also, did you try to login with FriedKetchup a few days ago?

[Youbar]

I can fix this, but it will take some time. It triggered 18 of the 20 detectors, which means I have to literally write 18 exceptions by hand.

I also suggest you never use that VPN again, as I won't be doing this again, and that VPN is obviously associated with some bad shit.

Looks like I'll be uninstalling it from my computer immediately. Sorry about that. To be honest, I don't really mind when this get resolved, so feel free to take your time.

Also, did you try to login with FriedKetchup a few days ago?

I did on the same day that I saw I got the ban (I think that was when when I spoke to you on Discord?), so likely over a week ago. Any sooner than that, no, since I unlinked the account. Probably a really shitty idea, but I was looking the full extent of the ban. I figured it wouldn't really be an issue using FriedKetchup while my actual account was fixed. Obviously that didn't end up working.

If it's caught up in the sticky ban, I don't really mind. I don't use it, and it's gone now.

[Feweh]

Probably a really shitty idea, but I was looking the full extent of the ban. I figured it wouldn't really be an issue using FriedKetchup while my actual account was fixed. Obviously that didn't end up working.

This would be ban-evading, whether or not you thought your ban appeal was legit or "being fixed".

For someone who speaks quite intellectually across the forums, you really do a lot of very basic stupid shit.

[Youbar]

This would be ban-evading, whether or not you thought your ban appeal was legit or "being fixed".

Yes, it does. But that's what I did.

[slc97]

Okay, do you see the position you're putting us in here? You've multikeyed and ban evaded in the past. In fact, you've ban evaded to join staff and try and pretty much dox Apop, but we still give you more chances.

Then you tell us you have a clean slate across all SS13 that we can trust you, and in this very post write "Why would I multikey?" Then when we show that you tried to ban evade with a separate key, all you can say is "Yeah, I did that". And we're still supposed to trust you?

[Youbar]

And we're still supposed to trust you?

I don't expect you to. If it's that much of an issue, feel free to deny the appeal. I had no intentions of using FriedKetchup without first notifying the admins present on the server that I was doing so, for fairly obvious reasons.

[slc97]

But you did try to use it without notifying us.

This is Apop's final decision, not mine, but I'm gonna say that I don't think you should be allowed back. I could abide by everything, but I already had to warn you in mchat once, and now you admit to ban evading. It just does not sit with me well. That's my opinion on the situation.

[Youbar]

But you did try to use it without notifying us.

Incredibly pedantic. If I wanted to truly and properly ban evade, I wouldn't have used FriedKetchup.

and now you admit to ban evading.

I'm sorry for telling the truth. Maybe that wasn't the best course of action.

[Emeraldblood]

You've been making a lot of questionable decisions around the server. Owning up to it or not, you did attempt to ban evade which is against the rules. When you break the rules and get banned, you need to own up and accept that, not feel like you're above the rules and can just try to get around them.

[slc97]

Emerald puts it possibly better than I did. It's great that you're telling the truth about what happened, but you've only done that when confronted with what happened. Your ban appeal didn't open with "I was banned for a VPN, so I tried a different account."

The issue is that you used a VPN, which is against the rules, then tried to evade the ban, which is against the rules. This is a series of poor decision making and you didn't come clean about them until confronted.

Also, I know you have personal feelings against me. That's fine, your opinion is your opinion and I don't particularly care, but calling one of the admins that's investigating you pedantic for bringing up a rule break is not going to help your cause. I recommend remaining civil.

[Youbar]

Yes, I did accidentally used a VPN while connecting to the server for the first time in months. And yes, I did attempt to use another widely-known key to connect in a poor snap-judgement of mine, an action which I forgot about shortly after. However, I honestly think this is being blown well out of proportion. I have committed a grand total of three offenses (two of them minor) in the past two years, and now, I'm being told that I shouldn't be coming back, despite me being as transparent as possible all throughout this appeal.

Your opinion is your opinion, and at the end of the day, if Apophis775 denies this appeal, that's fine. My stance on this isn't changing, however.

[apophis775]

This is on hold for the moment.

I'm working on doing the bans that catch multikeyers, and since this involves around 16 of them, I've gotta wait to process it until I get that finished.

After that, I will be lifting a single exception for the Youbar key only. This means, any other Ckey from you IP/Computer will be blocked.