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    Staff Report - Silencer_pl

    Staff Report
    Your BYOND Key
    OGBlackFlag
    Date of Incident
    December 31, 2022
    Your Character Name?
    Jimmy 'FF' Chance
    Their BYOND Key
    Silencer_pl
    Approximate time and date of the incident
    13:39 EST
    Which of the following are you reporting?
    3. Enforcement Action Taken
    Description of the incident
    I was a late join squad leader, I geared up with an engineering kit and two claymore mines because I was a bravo SL. Upon arriving at the FOB I did a quick inspection and introduced myself to the Squad. I saw that the Cadelines extended far beyond their usual self which is a tribute to the engineers. There were six cadelines to the north and three to the east. I went to comms and did an inspection, it was secure and the front was a little north. I announced to my squad that I would be cading the front because of the extra supplies I had and assisting in the efforts of securing the medics. I created a mini FOB a large rectangular base to protect the Medics as they healed the marines. I used all my supplies in which the Xenos did push with the queen. I stayed there and helped the around "ten" marines hold off the push while calling in Mortar and Cas strikes because I was the only Squad leader and marine with a laser designator at the front until Delta SL arrived. At that time, the Queen did another push in which I returned to the FOB after being wounded to seek treatment. Keep in mind, Bravo's primary objective was to assist the CO in the push against the Xenos by sending out a fireteam and the secondary mission was to secure the FOB. I am being accused of not following orders because I am not physically at the secure FOB which has most of Bravo inside of it and pushing out with my fireteam. The Fob is secure, the mortar manned, the flanks mined and caded, Comms was secure, and I assisted in keeping medics safe by creating a Mini-firebase and calling in mortars and cas and I am accused of this in the middle of the round against a strong xeno push. I would like for this warning to be removed from the record. Please, view the indepth logs of comms chatter and actions(like creating cades or mining) to prove even more that I was doing my job.
    Evidence
    Chat logs:
    You have been noted by Silencer_pl.
    The note is : Warned for behavior below standard - As a late joining Bravo SL, deployed and immediately rushed to the front where they got killed numerous times, disregarding standing orders to mind the FOB. Tried to justify this as their squad being able to handle the FOB and their veterancy in the game, neither of which were particularly good excuses for blatantly refusing to lead their squad in terms of following the objectives set by command.
    If you believe this was filed in error or misplaced, make a staff report at The CM Forums
    You can also click the name of the staff member noting you to PM them.

    PM Logs: Admin PM from-Silencer_pl: Hello there! When you have the chance, please exlpain why you seemed not to be communicating at all with your squad as SL and did not follow orders from your commander.
    Click on the administrator's name to reply.

    -Admin PM from-Silencer_pl: Why were you on the front in the first place? It seems like command wanted your squad to handle the FOB.
    Click on the administrator's name to reply
    -PM to-Admins: My squad can handel the FOB. I was delivering supplies and making a forward base and cading. Is there a rule break issue I am accused of?
    -Admin PM from-Silencer_pl: As Squad Leader, you are expected to follow orders from command and communicate with your squad, not run off to the frontline and die. Again, if you are ordered to hold the FOB then as SL you are expected to lead the defense unless you are sepcifically ordered to do something else.
    Click on the administrator's name to reply.
    -PM to-Admins: This isn't my first rodeo, Silencer.
    -Admin PM from-Silencer_pl: I'm not sure how that is relevant.
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    -Admin PM from-Silencer_pl: Rule 2, Human Roleplay Standards, Deployment: Higher ranking squad marines (such as the squad-leader, specialist, smart-gunner and RTO) should be following the orders assigned to them by the commander instead of running off to go fight alone. Special circumstances exclude this requirement, but players should be prepared to justify their actions if contacted by staff.
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    -PM to-Admins: Did I not just do that.
    -Admin PM from-Silencer_pl: No, you did not. Your squad bewing able to handle a task does not mean you can chose not to follow orders and get yourself killed, three times, on the front.
    Click on the administrator's name to reply.
    -Admin PM from-Silencer_pl: You have no way of knowing what the state of the FOB is if youre dying on the front. As a leader, youa re expected to be among your men, making sure theyh have what they need to accomplish their mission. You being dead meant that yo squad was effectively headless and uncoordinated. If you want to charge off to the front, then PFC is the role suited for that.
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    -PM to-Admins: Don't be a goober. There are fucking like six cade lines extending to the north and three on the west. I know what is going on at the FOB. I will take this to the forum because you are witchhunting.
    -PM to-Admins: Don't be a goober. There are fucking like six cade lines extending to the north and three on the west. I know what is going on at the FOB. I will take this to the forum because you are witchhunting.










    Screen shots, which are late because I am creating this report right now as we speak Xenos pushed up and destroyed the cades and I am finally able to ghost and gather the screen shot evidence.
    https://imgur.com/a/9e9CGmk
    This shows the Northern Cade line as xenos are pushing the FOB, keep in mind there were three more Carelines pushed up and a Mini-Fob I created at the front. This is the six cade lines I was referring to showing that my secondary order is completed and still being completed(Secure the FOB).
    https://imgur.com/fREWfkg
    This shows the Eastern FOB cade lines, three layers deep. And I mined it myself with two mine boxes, which is ten claymore mines.
    Do you understand that staff make the final decision in the resolution of this report?
    Yes

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    You were a late joining Bravo SL that immediately headed to the front where you died several times instead of coordinating your men in setting up the defenses and making sure they were sound.

    You did not communicate (because you were dead in part), you did not make sure that the FOB was secure, you didn't even listen to your second in command, you just immediately proceeded to fight on the front.

    As I tried to explain to you, as a Squad Leader, you are expected to be a coordinator and leader. You are expected to talk to your men and make sure that they have all they need to fulfill their objectives. If part of your squad is fighting on the front, it is on you to put them into specific fireteams. Finally, if you think that you would be of more use somewhere else, you need to clearly communicate this to command and have them adjust your orders, not just announce you're headed to the front and die there.

    As I explained in the admin DMs, I do not find the explanation you gave me as you being sure that your squad can handle the FOB as adequate. It is on you to know, at all times, by being present among them, not assume as such from the front. Again, this is something that your second seemed to try to impart on you but you seemed not to respond (or were dead at the time)

    Simply put I believe that PFC is more suited to the style of play as you presented, but regardless of what I think, you fairly clearly seemed to try and PFC+ as a squad leader and that is against current server directives and rules.
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    "You were a late joining Bravo SL that immediately headed to the front where you died several times instead of coordinating your men in setting up the defenses and making sure they were sound."
    A good leader does not need to micro manage his team. That is prevalent in CM and in real life. It's annoying and overbearing. Corrdinating with my men in setting up defenses which I did. Blatantly saying I did not make sure the FOB is utterly false and has no bearing, you as a staff member need to provide the burden of proof. Your word is not all knowing, which is why the forums has this section to dispute.

    "You did not communicate (because you were dead in part), you did not make sure that the FOB was secure, you didn't even listen to your second in command, you just immediately proceeded to fight on the front."
    I don't need to listen to my second in command, which I don't have one because I did not assign Fire Teams nor do I need one. The Fob was secure and I visibly could confirm it at the time, the Mortar was manned, and the cades were mined and built and manned. What else do I have to do at that position, except waste man power. The problem is at the undermanned and underdefended front line that has zero supplies or protection. Why would I, a leader that can quickly figure out where the problem is and solve it simply not do it because "I have to be present around my men.". In which, I was with my men because I created a "safe-haven" of a mini fire-base for medics in which Bravo medics where present and a fireteam was sent out to help with the CO push. I, a Squad Leader have special combat abilities that are useful so why am I not allowed to push with my fireteam to the front anyways?

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    If only you communicated any of that with Command or your squad, you may have not been having this issue. I have reviewed your actions in that round as much as our logs allow and my determination was that despite the lofty goals you talked to me in DMs, you essentially deployed as SL, did not actually lead your squad, and went off to frontline.

    A log pull will help settle this by a third eye, I'm sure, as this seems to be a matter or perspective.

    For what it's worth, and since this is going to get a log pull anyway, this issue was ahelped by another player.
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    I'm sure the logs would help definitely because I announced my actions before I left the FOB, and I coordinated with my mortar man and Cas. I assumed this was a player report.

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    Jimmy talking to his squad in this spoiler here, before he goes off to lase Mortar/CAS

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    The mortar/Cas co-ordination and lazes:


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    After that, there is no more chat logs; nothing but combat logs, I'll post some just to prove the point; but lots of xenos getting shot, and injuries no doubt being taken:

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    After the combat; Jimmy is killed and revived by medics, which appears to take a few efforts. They complain about being deaf, and then gets some surgery; I'll post the logs of said surgery again just to prove it happened;


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    After Surgery; Jimmy talks to their squad again, and then the PM comes in from Silencer_pl:

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    SURVIVOR GANG COUNCIL MEMBER

    Survivor Gang In Action:

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    This will be resolved by the 24th, sorry for the delay.

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    Right, after reviewing the logs I'll be upholding Silencer_pl's decision. If you communicated at all your intentions with Command, you would be fine- but you did not. You were almost wordless for the entire round, which really shouldn't happen as a SL as well.

    Regarding the orders to push with the CO - that's correct, the CO did say to do that- but he only said to do that after you were on the frontline.

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