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    Quote Originally Posted by RobBrown4PM View Post
    Can you provide an argument as to how lore may be a detriment in the case of the Yautja faction?
    it detracts from focusing on gameplay based amendments that are required to deter soft griefing/vindictive actions that are allowed by the lore -- by following lore, it makes certain changes impossible -- ergo, lore is gay

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobBrown4PM View Post
    Can you provide an argument as to how lore may be a detriment in the case of the Yautja faction?
    1 guy has a piece of gear, purposely gets in the middle of as many marines as he can on the front so you either cant attack him, or you attack the front and most likely everything on it fucking with the outcome of the round.

    1 predator dies, 10 people take pieces of gear. 2 of them are specialists. That's 2 specialists and another 8 marines out of the round over a single predators gear.

    If predators had to follow the lore they actually had in the movies/games they would've been able to HPC anyone at any time with nearly 0 interaction. Also they wouldn't just walk around xenos and marines like nothing happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleepy Retard View Post
    it detracts from focusing on gameplay based amendments that are required to deter soft griefing/vindictive actions that are allowed by the lore -- by following lore, it makes certain changes impossible -- ergo, lore is gay
    Just so I understand you correctly, are you totally and utterly against lore, even if it is just a fluff piece?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobBrown4PM View Post
    Just so I understand you correctly, are you totally and utterly against lore, even if it is just a fluff piece?
    He's saying if we let lore entirely dictate how the game will work, then it will make things less fun.

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    I don't particularly remember any instance of "Lore" affecting gameplay. In terms of lore, the Almayer has anti-shop weapons, for example. They are never used, because otherwise the hijacked Dropship will always get shot down. Considering that Predators are (supposed to be) an RP role, I'm under the impression that at least SOME lore can be useful to provide a foundation to how we can provide said RP in the rounds.

    And besides, like with pretty much everything else in this game, if "lore" needs to be changed in order to facilitate better gameplay, then it can be changed. No one's saying that it has to be set in stone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Survivor View Post
    If predators had to follow the lore they actually had in the movies/games they would've been able to HPC anyone at any time with nearly 0 interaction. Also they wouldn't just walk around xenos and marines like nothing happened.
    have you considered the idea that it might be better for predators to be an actual part of the game that does things?

    like you're right in that predators walk around xenos and marines without doing anything, and you're right that if they followed the lore they wouldn't do this because predators, in the lore, sometimes do things. But is it GOOD that predators never do anything? Is that really what you're aiming for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dauntasa View Post
    have you considered the idea that it might be better for predators to be an actual part of the game that does things?

    like you're right in that predators walk around xenos and marines without doing anything, and you're right that if they followed the lore they wouldn't do this because predators, in the lore, sometimes do things. But is it GOOD that predators never do anything? Is that really what you're aiming for?
    I understand what you are saying, and I feel like with the rework there will be a good bit of more interaction between the sides. That being said, if predators were allowed to murderbone via any means necessary, that would be extremely unfair for the other side

    I do want to see more interaction between sides, and not just "You have gear, I'll use my plasma caster and end your round instantly" and "A xeno? I'll avoid you because you are going to just run for a group of your friends if I try to hunt you anyways".

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    Given from someone such as myself that is incredibly stiff lipped when it comes to a well made story and lore. I personally would enjoy seeing lore being written for CM predators. HOWEVER. With the VERY STRICT understanding that while yes we have lore, the IN GAME HUNT is entirely different from the lore so we do not have to worry about the random "well one predator did this in the lore so why cant I do it in game?".

    Personally, lore adds a ton of lore and even some whitelists are entirely dictated by lore: See Synths as lore was added to constrict synths on things for balance and even an interesting quirk and gimmick to playing the role.
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    At the moment Devs have 100% oversight on Lore. So we are reliant on them to get that done but that was on the menu for another time.


    At the current moment tho I need to polish said honor code.

    Peoples most voiced complaint atm seem to be "This is a code so that people can just hunt preds" and "People still ignore preds or meta the honor code to avoid getting into conflicts".

    These are the issues I'm most interested in atm. So please give me some good ideas and feedback on how we can fix that up. From Pred/Marine/Xeno Players alike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bancrose View Post
    At the moment Devs have 100% oversight on Lore. So we are reliant on them to get that done but that was on the menu for another time.


    At the current moment tho I need to polish said honor code.

    Peoples most voiced complaint atm seem to be "This is a code so that people can just hunt preds" and "People still ignore preds or meta the honor code to avoid getting into conflicts".

    These are the issues I'm most interested in atm. So please give me some good ideas and feedback on how we can fix that up. From Pred/Marine/Xeno Players alike.
    - Expected Contact for Preds to very slight degree of their sole existance, a bit of technology (pure marine helmet cam footage) and Honor Code. This way "Honor Code Meta" is no longer metagaming, since it would be a common knowledge to marines that they have 99% smaller chance to be killed by Jamaicans if they don't insult them, or mess with honor duels.

    - Preds not being allowed to start shit just because something shoots at them when they hide in complete darkness/behind a wall.
    If marine/beno says to pred to "Stay Away, or else..." then such marine/beno can't be considered unworthy if predator does what marine/beno told them to not do (it would be cancelled out if Pred has to do that certain thing and marine/beno is not allowing him like getting pred gear, or killing abom). Of course it has to be a valid reason, like stupidly following and laughing, or roaring etc.

    - Preds not being allowed to hurt honorable prey while they are stunned and shortly after.

    - Buff preds against benos even more, to the point where hunting benos is just as easy as hunting humans. Otherwise unrobust preds nearly always choose marines to hunt.

    - Preds should be responsible for marine/beno they are RP'ing with. So if they talk with some random lone marine, they should defend him from benos (stunning benos and dragging him away, or something like that). Especially when RP'ing with marines, since any beno can just skiddadle even from whole squad, no marine is able to outrun anything that pops out of the vent when he is typing.

    Just to name a few. Pick one, few, or all of them.
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