Marines are too spec dependent

[Mann handle]

Bancrose you are forgetting the true role of the B18 spec, as pioneered by our lord and savior aoi bell, he's a heavy rifleman. Dump that nade launcher and fuck grenades in general. Grab that rifle and shotgun and go fucking ham on the attachments to make yourself the super robusto soldier marines are begging for.

Shitposting aside, Sadar spec is the only one that can reliably effect games with xeno blood raining down from the sky. The sniper is meh but can prod the boilers in the hopes that they with be shoo'd off. The scout is either shot by his own or gets murdered by a rav. Pyro is a coin flip, either it's FF galore or Kane's finest black hand soldier. B18 as above is the better build, because grenades in general are a hit and miss tool that often blows marines to bits.

[Bancrose]

Bancrose you are forgetting the true role of the B18 spec, as pioneered by our lord and savior aoi bell, he's a heavy rifleman. Dump that nade launcher and fuck grenades in general. Grab that rifle and shotgun and go fucking ham on the attachments to make yourself the super robusto soldier marines are begging for.

Shitposting aside, Sadar spec is the only one that can reliably effect games with xeno blood raining down from the sky. The sniper is meh but can prod the boilers in the hopes that they with be shoo'd off. The scout is either shot by his own or gets murdered by a rav. Pyro is a coin flip, either it's FF galore or Kane's finest black hand soldier. B18 as above is the better build, because grenades in general are a hit and miss tool that often blows marines to bits.

You can totally take the Kesserline APR or an HPR with the B18, I was just using the Omega Cuckshot build as an example.

[ChengChan]

okkkkkk

[Avalanchee]

B18 is a worthless piece of shit
Sniper is even shitter
Scout is mediocre
Pyro is only good against retarded T1s and T2s - with X fuel of course, xenos can outheal classic napalm with strong pheromones :^)
SADAR is the only T3 counter that marines have.

[Vispainius]

Nerf Sadar, bring back op b18. Totally not biased

For real though, probably gonna end up seeing a nerf needed for it and slight counter buffs elsewhere... or none at all

In regards to the B18... Alternatively, use the Aoi-inspired Klaus method of B18. Ditch that silly GL and go for two M41s, at least one having a UGL ( but both having a UGL is fine too). Then stock up on some AP.

In regard to counters.
Flame bullet equiped scouts and snipers can inter everything except queens and ravagers
Pyro spec can counter everything except queens, boilers (range issue) and ravagers
B18 counters everything except queen ( somewhat), boilers (range issue) and crushers (somewhat)
RPG counters everything except crushers (somewhat), queens (somewhat), and boilers( range issue).

*somewhat, refers to the counter being ineffective for the most part with some notable, lucky exceptions using involving health and extenuating circumstances

[Swagile]

Nerf Sadar, bring back op b18. Totally not biased

For real though, probably gonna end up seeing a nerf needed for it and slight counter buffs elsewhere... or none at all

In regards to the B18... Alternatively, use the Aoi-inspired Klaus method of B18. Ditch that silly GL and go for two M41s, at least one having a UGL ( but both having a UGL is fine too). Then stock up on some AP.

In regard to counters.
Flame bullet equiped scouts and snipers can inter everything except queens and ravagers
Pyro spec can counter everything except queens, boilers (range issue) and ravagers
B18 counters everything except queen ( somewhat), boilers (range issue) and crushers (somewhat)
RPG counters everything except crushers (somewhat), queens (somewhat), and boilers( range issue).

*somewhat, refers to the counter being ineffective for the most part with some notable, lucky exceptions using involving health and extenuating circumstances

All of these are countered by Neuro and Warrior Grab as well.

[Vispainius]

All of these are countered by Neuro and Warrior Grab as well.

Easy fallacy to disprove.
Example: scout, sniper and RPG ( somewhat) all can easily have to range and strength to counter warriors and neuro stun.
Flame spec on blue flame can somewhat be included in that statement as well, depending...


If a sniper or scout is getting countered by neuro or warrior grabs they are doing their job wrong.

[CABAL]

Easy fallacy to disprove.
Example: scout, sniper and RPG ( somewhat) all can easily have to range and strength to counter warriors and neuro stun.
Flame spec on blue flame can somewhat be included in that statement as well, depending...


If a sniper or scout is getting countered by neuro or warrior grabs they are doing their job wrong.

Do you only consider a scenario where Spitter/Sentinel/Warrior are just going head on, alone, in straight line and in bright light? I want to know.

[SirMandrake]

Do you only consider a scenario where Spitter/Sentinel/Warrior are just going head on, alone, in straight line and in bright light? I want to know.

Light/vision is not really an issue though because of the visors on scout and sniper. Dunno but personally I blame myself for shitty positioning when I get messed up by spit and warriors

[MasterShakeEZ]

Do you only consider a scenario where Spitter/Sentinel/Warrior are just going head on, alone, in straight line and in bright light? I want to know.

Marines are almost never alone either. Thats why comparing 1v1 is pretty pointless.