Staff Report
Your BYOND Key Casada_Radio
Date of Incident January 16, 2021
Your Character Name? Yuri Gennady Gregorovich
Their BYOND Key Pfanner, Forest
Approximate time and date of the incident Around...9:00 CST
Which Staff Protocols (//showthrea...-and-Protocols) were broken Do Not Abuse your Power & Remaining Professional
Description of the incident Ok so to preface, long story short I got noted for this:
LRP/18+ - SSGT Yuri Gennady Gregorovich Unzips pants and starts to Urinate on the Alpha Spec - warned firmly for this. Next offense of that caliber should be a ban.
on 2021-01-16 08:53:26
RP reason is they had beds setup on hangar. I called them degenerates and this Alpha Spec told me to shut up said said some stuff I cant really recall. I then proceeded with normal escalation to pee on the spec.
No shorter than that I was warned that it was a breach of Rule 1, 18+. I was naturally confused because since when is urinating a sexual act, and the last time I got noted for something similar was by Forest for farting, because it was 18+ as well.
Logs will show that I tried to clarify with the Mod about the context of 18+ which really dumbfounded me since it is considered to be a particular kink. I will get on this in detail later.
I argued that LRP makes more sense than a 18+ rule break, which Pfanner eventually modified. So far I have nothing against it being a LRP rulebreak and being firmly warned about it. I can go on and on about how I havent done it for the last 2 years but I respect the mod and I therefore respect his decision on it.
Eventually I enquired via ahelp about my note history out of curiosity and realised it is still considered LRP/18+. The more I think about this the more it worries me that this is even considered 18+ Context. So I talked to the mod, Pfanner, further that I really do not understand how that fits into the context because that opens up a floodgate of implications you can with 18+. Pfanner was actually open modifying my note to remove 18+ to which I have no problem, I have no problem with the bannable offense warning. Pfanner then said he has to ask with the manager.
During our discussion, Pfanner showed me the screenshot of the latest Rule Clarifcation in Discord which shows this:
https://i.imgur.com/D5moEMM.png
Pfanner then advised me to make a report if I was unhappy about it. I dont really want to report him but I am unsure of Report procedure that is why I included his name in the report.
Now, the problem is the Context of 18+ which is really worrying me and I am sure it worries others. 2 Years ago I was noted for Farting as Runner because it was considered 18+ sexual content. I sounded this out in the forum post to which TheSoldierLLJK was in, linked here: //showthrea...hlight=farting
My note was modified to this:
Warned for LRP: the Mature Runner (854) Farts very loudly
on 2019-02-19 00:00:00
What really amazes me is how Farting and Urinating can be considered a kink, which is unhygenic! But what is even more worrying is the amount of things can be fitted into the Rule 1 Break. This was the major ground rule that establishes what is a breach of rule 1:
"Roleplay intended to elicit a sexual response from the receiver(s), including but not limited to writing stories (WGW) or posting links to adult content"
There is no established intent to elicit sexual response. I called them degenerates, someone called me back with bad names, I peed on him in great disrespect as opposed to shooting him which is a rulebreak. Is there an establsihed Culture that calls or court women by peeing? Do animals give the call of nature via the release of bladder, the waste of their insides, a call to mate? I didnt even strip the dude.
Here are some videos of movies where in normal cirumstances you pee a dude in disrespect:
African
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2-Ww-cadFI
Asian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3YbxgXq6dU
The West
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAwS3QXdcw4
Cartoon of people doing a Peeing Contest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B25trCbdBJ8
Austin Powers (This is a PG-13 Movie as shown in IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118655/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ31suw8BlU
Note they do not proceed to perform sexual acts after that. Note that it is a reaction of humiliation/disgust/shock/annoyance/anger. They dont give you an aroused or kinky look after that, which by the way I am not going to link in the report unless requested in case I accidentally break Rule 1 again. Note that
Next is, the argument that kink is varied by tastes. Very well, first I want to say is that this argument is dangerous. As mentioned to Pfanner, you open a floodgate as to what is even a kink. I mean Urinating is not even a normal thing but let's forgo that.
cuffing people is an established kink, is that rule 1 break as well?
Stripping marines to replace their clothing with prisoner clothing, showing their naked body. Is that a kink?
Puting people on anaestic on the Surgery Table, where you can ACTUALLY close the surgery room shutters and do your think. Is that an implied kink?
Now let's go with section 2, body parts. I described no genitals but it seems by urinating or discharging my bladder, it is implied that there is an involvement of Genitals.
Very well, Men's Genitals is a functioning part of the body to give courage to men. By unga dungaing into the frontlines it is implied that marines have used their genitals to move forward. Is it implied description of Genitals?
Next, it is allowed for xenomorphs to target slash the groin thereby giving organ damage to marines(at least the last time I remember this was so) The groin is where your genitals is. Therefore is it implied that xenomorphs have molested marines in combat by touching and slashing their genitals that magically recovered through bicardine.
Facehugger, violated face of marines through use of their own genitals. Should we remove facehuggers?
Doctors need to operate on the marine's groin due to possible IB or Bone broken. However, it is likely you will have to touch the balls as well. Is it implied then?
Now you may be saying, they do not elicit sexual response, and that is true(With perhaps the exception of xenomorphs since their facehuggers technically violates marines to impregnate them, I rather not go that far with THIS kink), now let me ask you this:
In what way is urinating on a person elicits a sexual response? It varies from person to person? Ok, On what basis is it established that kink is considered a kink? The Protein bars are shaped rectangular and can be implied by eating I want sexual response from the other man by eating the bar, like the movie Horrible Bosses when the female ate...foods...inappropriately.
That is the problem I have, which is worrying because it seems the Rule 1 break can be applied to almost anything. How I, as a normal SS13 CM Player, am going to play following the rules when it seems to encompass, unknowingly and oddly and rather applied weirdly, in gameplay? Evidence Ingame discussions can be found in logs
As for the PM Discussion between Pfanner and I, the full wordings as follows(Monofreak = Me, flarek = Pfanner):
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:39
Hey uh, I know I said I am fine with what you said earlier but
[23:39]
I have been doing some thinking and
[23:39]
I am really still bummed with the context of 18+. And I am sure
[23:39]
You did it on instructions from Forest
flarekYesterday at 23:40
no i asked forest about it
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:40
Oh
flarekYesterday at 23:40
and he said to handle it
[23:40]
so I did
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:40
To me, what is worrying is the context of the 18+ thing
flarekYesterday at 23:40
and pissing on people is not really roleplay, at all. It's LRP at its finest. why I think it's 18+? Because even if you aren't refering to your genitals, it's still implied. Because how do you piss?
[23:40]
I don't think I need to get into too much detail there
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:40
Uhm
flarekYesterday at 23:41
But if you really want, I can remove it as an 18+ note
[23:41]
the note will still remain under LRP
[23:41]
and a next caliber offense of that level will still be a ban
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:41
I think you should, context of 18+ is really sexual interaction OR related. Urinating is a form of bladder control
@flarek
and a next caliber offense of that level will still be a ban
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:41
Nothing wrong with this
[23:42]
I really still think the 18+ is out of context
[23:42]
Cause if we open the floodgate to this
flarekYesterday at 23:42
i'll quickly get it verified again hold on
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:42
Ok
[23:43]
then screaming rape, getting laid, etc should be 18+ cause its implied sexual interaction
[23:43]
What I did was really bladder release
flarekYesterday at 23:43
someone did get banned for a long time yesterday for screaming rape.
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:43
Lmao what
[23:43]
epic
flarekYesterday at 23:43
using it in a bad context once is borderline
[23:44]
going overboard with it, ban
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:44
alright
flarekYesterday at 23:46
ok so
[23:46]
the note will have to stay as it is
[23:46]
because
[23:46]
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:46
What th-
[23:46]
Biggest
[23:46]
Its Forest isnt it
[23:47]
You know
[23:47]
this is kinda
[23:47]
a bit of an extreme
flarekYesterday at 23:47
right(edited)
[23:47]
well I'm sorry you feel that way, but if you really want to contest it, you'll have to make a staff report on me in this case
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:48
Dang bro
[23:48]
Staff report you
[23:48]
Ugh
flarekYesterday at 23:48
well there won't be any other way around it
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:49
I thought I could like staff report the manager behind this
[23:49]
You're just doing your job
[23:49]
Dang
[23:49]
Ok let me think about this
flarekYesterday at 23:49
the initial ruling of that was made by myself
[23:49]
i just asked managment if its backed up by them
[23:49]
so it is
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:49
Oh
[23:51]
So ignoring the chances of success and failure
[23:52]
Procedures for staff report to modify note is allowed?
flarekYesterday at 23:52
I mean it won't be modified now then
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:52
so what am I staff reporting for
flarekYesterday at 23:52
i mean
[23:52]
let me see
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:52
Honestly, with you, not really
[23:52]
I feel that
[23:53]
the case is stronger against a manager
[23:53]
or the manager behind it
flarekYesterday at 23:53
I mean you can report me or forest
[23:53]
won't really change it in the end
@flarek
won't really change it in the end
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:53
elaborate
flarekYesterday at 23:53
if you report me, a manager will most likely handle it
[23:54]
if you report forest, someone above him will handle it
[23:54]
so very likely grimcad or someone
MonoFreakYesterday at 23:54
However, option to report either is allowed right?
flarekYesterday at 23:54
if you want to
[23:55]
if anything
How you would punish the accused Please inform the manager, as much as I admire his start to try to consolidate a working visible rule clarifications book, but try to be reasonable as well.