[14:55:40]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): I accepted the appeal. Also that NOD is not a valid charge
[14:56:07]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): He was standing one tile away from MP, who used baton to "slow him down"
[14:56:28]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): Was he trying to run away?
[14:56:46]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): Also do release them
[14:56:55]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): Also do release them
[14:57:25]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): Using a baton to subdue someone is not a NOD either
[14:57:43]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): So, I come to DS with two other MPs, Martin is in the middle without uniform, no one is really running away, out of blue Martin take sout his stunbaton and batons someone, chaos ensues
[14:58:03]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): It is my POV paired with the fact that baiting MP was reported and that he did not have recorder on
[14:59:01]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): If marine would be running away, there is no way he would chase him and use baton. As in, marine would be too far away, in this case from my POV marine was around said MP
[14:59:24]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): Which allowed said MP to baton him easily. Name of marine is Carl Johanson, I think?
[14:59:45]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): I have seen a baton used many time to slow a fleeing convict
[15:01:02]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): First time it was used for no reason, after one hit, marine started running away. However, I do not believe that fact that marine resisted arrest after being batoned gives them right to start arrest without following procedure, i would understand it if marine was clearly fleeing, however he was right in the DS
[15:01:39]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): Was the marine wanted prior to that?
[15:02:35]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): He stripped Martin on DS but was passive after that, I'd say. I did not really see anything that would say that marine was clearly running away or shoving someone, or starrting more shit
[15:02:55]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): You may talk to other Mps as well, should you wish to
[15:03:26]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): Stripping a mp is a crime. I jsut talked to them and they said they stripped the mp then tried to run away while getting batoned
[15:03:45]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): This is pretty open and shut that the mp did nothing wrong
[15:04:26]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): A MP using a baton is fine. And a MP not saying you are under arrest to a fleeing suspect is also fine
[15:05:20]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): Very well, however, I wish to still point out that MP had time to put uniform on and take out baton. I do agree that arresting fleeing suspect without charges is fine, however, from my POV, suspect was not fleeing. Since then again, if he would want to run away he would be too far from baton reach
[15:06:12]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): I mean the carl themselves siaid they were running away, I don't see why they would lie to support the MP
[15:06:57]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): Well, there could be case of miscommunication, but fair enough. As I said before, he did start running after first baton
[15:07:23]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): If someone strips the MP, the mp using a baton there is not unreasonable
[15:09:14]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): I agree that arresting someone in process of committing crime is not really unreasonable, however again, from what I have seen, Carl was juts circling around at most
[15:09:41]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): If they are on the DS, that's still resisting...
[15:10:19]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): Circling around, as in around MP, not around DS wall
[15:10:42]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): I mean that's resisting. They are trying to avoid being cuffed or flashed till teh DS launches.
[15:11:23]ADMIN: PM: Rals/(Brett McMatherson)->Schalkguy/(Martin Watson): DS was far from launching I'd say. There were three MPs ready to back him up, and we did back him up.
[15:11:41]ADMIN: PM: Schalkguy/(Martin Watson)->Rals/(Brett McMatherson): In any case, using a baton is not an issue