With all due respect, you have to admit that corpse dragging wasn't a problem untill it started to be meta and abused. Nobody had a problem with that (vocally) untill some thread appeared. Maybe it started to be abused too much just as corpse dragging?Originally Posted by MasterShakeEZ
Also I'm waiting for some staffmeme to say that "dead has no rights" right before saying on OOC that you are not allowed to decap bodies during HvH.
People complained about corpse dragging since the day I started playing CM. It made sense when cloning was a thing cause marines literally couldn't be permakilled. After they removed cloning it made sense to remove corpse dragging. But then they removed every other way to permakill a marine like decapping/husking/just good old too much damage to defibb.
people also forget the most effective way of permakilling a marine is capturing them. They have nerfed the ever loving fuck out of capturing to the point where its not even worth the effort if you aren't a warrior or have 3 xenos helping you spam tackle.
Last edited by MasterShakeEZ; 11-26-2019 at 07:07 AM.
He actually had marines walking around him while he was green, marines pushed up, saw nothing, and pulled back.
So it's actually a great example. The guy would've been recovered if he hadn't been walled in, and multiple people in dchat were telling him to ahelp about it because it was abuse (it got ruled "perfectly okay for xenos to do this")
It also wasn't a case of the body getting in the way of xeno defenses. He was walled up intentionally, not accidentally.
Last edited by Boersgard; 11-26-2019 at 09:01 AM.
that may all be very true, but it doesn't show any of it in the screenshot. also theres a dude right south of him not walled in just laying there that wasn't recovered either.
So one marine might not be recovered because a hivelord spend a half a minute walling him off. Is this really an important issue?
Yes. It only happened once. It never happened before, or after. Thank you.
If this only happened once why is there a 3 page thread about it? No drone is going to spend 30 minutes walling off every corpse on the map when they could be doing literally anything else. Given how easy it is for marines to be resurrected if you can't drag a corpse 10 metres to your nearest medic they probably weren't getting de-fibbed anyway.
It was sarcastic. This happened before, not only once, but also not on a grand scale. Occasionally benos would wall-off corpses, but it wasn't meta, because even Hivelord walls were pretty weak, so nobody spared any bullet to just shoot them. With fairly recent buff to structures, few extremely powergaming benos realised this as super dooper not metagaming and not powergaming strategy to replace corpse dragging.
Abusing mechanics is still power/metagaming. No matter the faction, no matter anything. As a Marine you can abuse the fact that racks can be placed instantly and trap crushers on prison after charge pretty reliably, but do so and if you will get ahelped, you will be bwoinked about "powergaming". It's not issue (yet) because it's not abused, it happens from time to time and if it would become a problem, it would be patched ASAP as it's something that is bad for benos.
Right now lack of corpse dragging means benos have to earn marine permadeath. Their hit-and-run tactic is only minor inconvenience for overall Marines, because those losses are recoverable. Benos have to advance, or defend that area, this brings them closer in comparsion to marines, who have to earn beno kill by dealing vast ammount of damage and not letting it escape. Walling off corpses is breaking this "balance" (very sensitive word for some benomains, almost like n-word), because this strips benos from that effort they have to give. Hivelord can spend literally less than 10 seconds to wall corpse off if in open field. Any wall shortens that time even more. Hivelords spamming wall in entire sections (most noticable in Big Red and Prison) and marines simply are not able to destroy every wall as it would slow them down to the point where recently dead beno would respawn and grow ancient before marines could clear entire way from LZ1 Big Red to ETA. Taking the fact into consideration that most marines don't take bayonets to their guns, that most marines don't bother with walls that aren't directly obscuring their way and that no marine cares to destroy those three tiles of wall in the corner, where most likely deffibable marine is hidden.
This could be solved mechanicaly, like walls changing their sprite if they are near corpse, but hey. Lets all be lazy bastards and allow benos to meta and powergame the hell out of the game. Also lets remove their "hivemind" chat and replace it with XOOC chat, since we "want" them to not have any RP standards. At the same time we have to force marines to the opposite.
That will be cool, right?
There's another option, the xenos can in fact capture marines alive and drag them off to be nested. This also helps grow the xeno numbers.
Right, but this also falls into category of "some effort to do it". Simply clicking on marine untill horizontal won't capture him, won't impregnate him, won't nest him and won't guard him.
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