Rich words from the infamous Rex Texas. You do realize that you personally is one of the biggest reasons why people dislike MPs right?Originally Posted by Musely
Rich words from the infamous Rex Texas. You do realize that you personally is one of the biggest reasons why people dislike MPs right?
I'll add my two cents. Marine Law is veeeeerrrrrryyyyyyy subjective into interpretation. and the players who constantly break the marine law refuse to acknoledge their mistakes. Hopefully management will assign someone to rewrite.
what's your point
You are doing exactly what I was accused for. It's thrid time I say that what I was originally arrested doesn't matter as it was valid.
You OMIT fact that me being arrested doesn't matter, because thread isn't about me. You ignore my arguments about bad MPs who pick charges out of their asses (I'm 100% sure nobody was ever charged with FPP for wearing helmet they can't get from Req/Cryo/Prep and SoP wasn't changed that much from a long time) and you "move goalpost" by demanding greater and greater evidence that MPs are bad in the core and it takes very "chill" player to not "evolve" into literal nazi (despite the fact that every server that has Security encounters a problem of "Shitcurity" and overall hate. Did you even played classic SS13 servers?).
MPs can investigate possible crime, but trying to do it after "suspect" was already brigged with timer smells of powertripping. It is a thing I personally hate, someone trying to sniff every possible reason to extend the timer, so that their sniffer ends in my butt. Here, you have one thing why I hate MPs and it has nothing to do with me "wanting" lower RP (I'm basically the last person you could call out for that, or for breaking OOC rules).
I even played MP few times and I got bored so much I don't play it now outside some ICE rounds. I never had problem with Delta, or any other squad. Nobody ever shouted insults at me when I brigged him, I didn't try to trick Staff and Marine into thinking that I'm not trying to give as much brig time as possible, I didn't tried to chase marines (with minor crimes) all over the ship like they are beno, I never tried to find every possible excuse and incredebly minor and small "law break" as FPP for wearing helmet other than you have access to... And so on and so on. How it is possible that few MPs have problem with players (like who would have thought that MP Rex Texas will not encounter much positive feedback from marines he arrests?) and I don't? Maybe I'm metabuddy with everyone in Delta? Maybe I'm famous for breaking OOC rules? Maybe I'm famous for LRP? Maybe I'm not just shitty Shitcurity MP?
MPs of the server: Did you know that Security Records exist? Did you know that some Marines might write there something? Did you know that there might be guidelines how to IC'ly calm the marine down, or even convince him to help your cause? All of that in few clicks, try it, it won't cost you anything.
1. It might be easier if the penalties for jailbreaking and helping someone resist arrest were higher. Like minor munity get staff permission levels
Its the biggest break of RP right now that you would actively jump in and risk jail time and possible drumming out to fight the police just because hes "your squaddie" .
Its the number one contributor to bullshit because marines know their buddies with meta cover them and once they are on the dropship its "base". So they just run amok and then run.
The marines on a dropship should be pissed off and beating the MARINE who is delaying the ship not the MP. We have shit backwards.
And most of it is the reputation that MPs have earned. We all have 10:1 stories of mps being dicks, to mps actually solving a crime.
2. I also think MPs are shackled with nothing to do and boring minimums. Bring back options like trash picking, running laps, and push ups for punishments. Its the reason you dont see "good players" often as mp. Its sooooooo boring. If you are good and kind, you dont arrest anyone and get to patrol bored. Its no wonder that the role attracts power hungry monsters and baldies. I played mp, I let people go with warnings, I eventually cryoed I was sooo bored.
3. Honestly maybe we should let some of the OTHER crimes less admin bwoinkable. Beating someone to death because they insulted you? Thats some rp right there. The trial would be dramatic.. like con air. Instead they get cryoed and everyone is bored still.
Thoughts?
OH MY! YES!!! We need Trash Picking as a punishment! The mess in the ship and prep areas is horrible at times, and using minor violations to clean the prep areas is a GREAT idea!
Last edited by Jackson T. Murphy; 12-18-2019 at 01:19 PM. Reason: because I stink at typing words properly
I'm just gonna leave this image of 5 marines permarrested
https://imgur.com/a/9owhwbE
as you can see the MP forgot to take the medic's satchel... Yep, we lost the round.
I'm just saying that is best to stay away from MPs and avoid them at all cost since they can arrest you for anything. Last time I was arrested for asking way too many times why my SL was arrested, I wanted to know his charges and they didn't really care about giving me a solid reason about why he was arrested, I got maximum time for "Interfering with an arrest", And nope I did not use violence to stop them. I just stayed next to them asking what was happening and why. That was the way that I learned that you need to stay away from the MPs and not to even talk to them or question their job. That was a legal arrest because asking too many times can be considered as interfering with an arrest so nope I couldn't ahelp. By the way before you ask I did not have a low rank I was a SO that wanted to know why my SL was in perma and not leading his troops.
I'm not complaining about how the admins or the CMP handled the situation I was released a few minutes after being arrested because benos attacked the almayer so I didn't have to wait in a cell my time. I just posted this to warn everyone so they start to avoid the MPs or just ignore them which works too.
Last edited by Adasis; 12-18-2019 at 07:56 PM.
Sorry you've had a bad experience with MPs and I hope you have better ones.
Your situation is definitely concerning to me, I mean SO's do sometimes get in an MPs face over an arrest. But I wouldn't brig an SO over asking questions. Now if they were getting in my face and preventing me from processing someone I would ask them to leave and if they refused I might threaten trespassing. But that's all so long as there's no violence.
It's important to remember that SL's are not above the law. I've seen SL's and specialists take advantage of this sort of thinking, that they are too important to arrest. Indeed in these cases the squad came to their aid and briefing was a shitshow. I wouldn't brig a SL over a minor crime. However, MPs hands are tied if a major/capital crime is committed, and you don't get permaed over minor briefing shenanigans so something must have happened with that SL or he made things worse for himself by escalating a minor into a major (into a capital?).
As for the number of people in perma, wow I've never seen that. I mean there's been times with brig breaks I suppose there could have been more than that number in perma but that presumes I am able to capture them. Not going to happen with my lack of robustness. However the number of people in perma does not mean the charges were illegitimate. If I had to guess I'd say they all tried to break someone out. But that's only a guess.
I can say that 3 out of the four people in perma were in there for SEDITION or Desertion (Aiding and abetting desertion, if we want to be precise)
The SL actually ASKED to be perma'ed (He was rather salty about his 20 minute timer) and when we refused to randomly increase it, he began to purposefully commit crimes (DASO) infront of myself, the CMP, and was perma brigged.
Admins fully support the detention of those individuals as they were extremely clear cut cases. While it can be more popular to say "MPs bad, marines good", the reality of the situation is usually a lot more bland. The staff are usually on the ball with newer MPs (Which we had that round) and usually nip them in the bud quite swiftly, when made aware.
As your your specific arrest, I cant say as I was dealing with another situation elsewhere during this time.
From the way everyone carries on every marine has spent more time in the brig than playing. Been around this server when there was direct and often instant and unspoken admin intervention. New blood doesn't know the pain of having a admin wipe out a squad with a ban hammer mid briefing, or admin bomb you and job ban you silently. That was the old ways, the new management is trying to let players and players make fun rounds. Sure some folks need their feet held to the fire from both sides. But neither of you are fucking Jesus. You are people and you make mistakes and do dickish stuff to get a rise outta someone. You do either you get hammered for it and someone else intervenes.
You can cry and cry and cry all day long about MP bent my lapel, and he can bitch and bitch that about you breaking into a room to steal some shiny nonsense all day. But complain about the thing that is broken. Marine law is old, pretty sure APOP wrote most of it with zero input from elsewhere.
Been playing this for over 3 years....MPs are commands fire team. Embrace that, complain when they abuse that and roll with the punches until its your turn to punch.
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