With RG change we got something for shotgunners that isn’t hedgehog rav.
Anyway the fatties other issue is most CAS callers worth their salt will hide the flare/ laz anyway. Two fatties kill EVERYTHING that is t a crusher or queen in basically a screen distance from dot. If you see the dot your already dead. Then the tier 3s get whacked and it goes downhill.
Lies, lies, lies. Stunned benos have stun immunity. If you got hit by a slug from one marine and then another marine hits you with another slug when you are already stunned, then second slug stun doesn't apply. You can't permastun benos, they are literally immune and they were from a long time.Originally Posted by NoahKirchner
What you can do at best is to "Chain-Stun" said beno. And this means that beno has to stand up and then got hit with a slug again. Perfect timing, perfect accuracy and perfect movement tracking are required. Literally something that requires pure skill, coordination eye-hand etc. And it was nerfed because as we all know Marines are always balanced around their best players and benos are always balanced around their worst players.
Even pre-nerf slug stun was a bit shorter than shotgun shoot cooldown, so as a stunned beno you always were standing up (and if you were still pressing movement button) and then move one tile to dodge second slug coming from the same marine. And said marine didn't had to just be good, predicting where stunned beno will move. Maybe further away, maybe will dodge left/right, basically three places where stunned beno can go, 1/3 chance to guess correctly, each fucking time and slug does so drastic damage that you need like around 6-7 to kill Elder Drone from full health. This means that you have to "win" the lottery 6-7 times to 1vs1 said beno. Nearly impossible. In addition to this equation, slug scatter also exist. And this means that slug has a chance to radomly shoot about 30 degrees from clicked tile, further fucking slug marine up. All pre-nerf. Now add shorter stun. OP!
In a normal frontline combat scenario, other benos can easy break this "chain-stun". Even if said marine also have backup. Two benos is enough for them both to escape. Oh no! NERF SLUG, IT'S SO POWERFULL!
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Notice how most of those things are not being dead. I've observed marines slashed and acided to dead being back at the front lines in a minute.
Stun
Stand up briefly
Immediately stunned again
Slug scatter is basically a nonfactor if you use attachments
Are slugs more skillbased than run up PB buckshot? Yes, but the old pre-new-nerf stun time was still enough for a stun to be a death sentence with +1 marine.
Xenos cannot push entrenched marines and "stay out of their range" when literally all of them have shotguns. That is why there is an overdependency on boiler. If xenos cannot push defenses they can't break stalemates so rounds either last 4 hours or xenos need to spam boilers.
Acid blood causing immediate death was annoying, but it was only burn damage which is easy to heal, it is now literally a nonfactor.
Yes, a robust spitter can be robust, but unless five marines are literally the baldest ever they cannot hold back five marines, they shouldn't be able to and they lack the spit speed and stopping power to do so alone. Hedgehog boiler is retardedly good at stopping pushes, but boiler is literally necessary to push, it is a 100% necessary caste to win as a xeno, no other castes are that important.
I don't appreciate the ad-hominem, I am glad that we are having a discussion about game mechanics but I don't think you've ever played xebomorph or Queen, or if you have you haven't played enough to fully grasp what causes rounds to keep going on for 3+ hours when the xenomorphs are unable to push. It is PB buckshot - xenomorphs are a CQC based faction and are being outclassed by every marine in CQC by buckshot.
Hey guys the melee faction just has to not get into melee range, that's how they defeat buckshot!
On a serious note there's no reason to attack Noah personally because you disagree, frankly I agree with everything he has to say here.
Hmmm... What it is written here?:
Nothing about standing up. And it's not immediately. If you keep pressing movement key, pre-nerf slug would give you enough time to move on tile, enough to dodge if it was fired directly at your tile.
Even all of the attachements doesn't reduce scatter permanently, there still will be a chance. It wasn't death sentence if marine wasn't lucky and skilled. Not many stunnable benos should be able to easly pull off 1vs2 (which of T1's and T2's will win direct combat against 2 marines with pulse rifle on open field and without escaping, with equal skill, no darkness and other beno help?). If marine missed hitting slug even once, beno escaped. I found it fair. High Risk - High Reward. All that combat beno had to do was to dodge first slug and that's it.
Bad benomains cry. Good benomains git good and don't complain about thing that wasn't unfair.
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It is not an ad hominem to state that I do not think you are capable of doing developer work when you do not fully grasp the game. That's not how ad hominem works. If I said you were a bad developer because you don't shower, that is an ad hominem.
Xenos can easily push marines if they actually use teamwork. The vast majority of xeno players just want to be 'badass lone wolf xeno who solos 20 marines' instead of an organized hive of killing machines. You don't even need to be particularly good as spitter to hold back marines, you just need to be able to switch between spit types. Boilers being overpowered has been an issue forever and it is just accepted as fact now, since it does not seem to be changing any time soon.
I have been playing SS13 for over 6 years and CM for about 3 or 4. I stopped playing xeno about a year ago due to them becoming far too easy to play. Xenos are also not outclasses in cqc by buckshot, buckshot is simply the only weapon that a regular marine has that can actually threaten and punish a xeno for making mistakes. That is why you see xenos complain about it so much. If the M41A was capable of slowing down xenos by shooting them with it, or the M39 actually did damage, you would see xenos complain about those too.
Yes, the melee faction that is most known for sitting at 2 tile wide chokepoints spamming acid sprays, neuro gas, and Ravager bone shards at marines.Hey guys the melee faction just has to not get into melee range, that's how they defeat buckshot!
On a serious note there's no reason to attack Noah personally because you disagree, frankly I agree with everything he has to say here.
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