Remove Whitelists

[Bishopil]

Why don't we just leave it alone?

No point in fixing something that isn't broken.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Your system might make sense if the developers were to introduce a uncommon OPFOR faction that spawns on the planet and are expected to hold themselves to a higher standard in terms of roleplay and combat competence.
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I advocated removing predator in favor of a side-antagonist marine role such as CLF sleeper agents or CL's going naughty with antag objectives.

[Steelpoint]

I advocated removing predator in favor of a side-antagonist marine role such as CLF sleeper agents or CL's going naughty with antag objectives.

One issue I see with a sleeper agent Marine system is that if the number of people accepted into role is low, you could reasonably expect the same players to get the antag assignment round after round. I also have to wonder what form of interaction we expect the sleeper agents to have with the rest of the Marine force, are they stealing intel or are they doing some nondescript RP objective.

A planetside side-antag suffers less of these issues since they are a more open antagonist that is in conflict with Marines and Xenos. I could see some kind of merc side antag who has slightly better gear than Marines and is expected to do minor objectives like 'loot X dog tags'/'steal X xeno blood samples'/take X pictures of Specialist or SL Marines', etc, etc.

[Bishopil]

One issue I see with a sleeper agent Marine system is that if the number of people accepted into role is low, you could reasonably expect the same players to get the antag assignment round after round. I also have to wonder what form of interaction we expect the sleeper agents to have with the rest of the Marine force, are they stealing intel or are they doing some nondescript RP objective.

A planetside side-antag suffers less of these issues since they are a more open antagonist that is in conflict with Marines and Xenos. I could see some kind of merc side antag who has slightly better gear than Marines and is expected to do minor objectives like 'loot X dog tags'/'steal X xeno blood samples'/take X pictures of Specialist or SL Marines', etc, etc.

Why do this when events can always happen?
If you want to be an antag planetside role, just play survivor and be hostile. Set your own objectives, make your own files, etc. then show it off on the forums.

[Tactical 445]

Removing preds I can honestly roll with. Removing COs and letting all the baldies play it, no. You�ve said he don�t get tons of bad XOs, I can�t strongly disagree against that. I�ve seen many, many cases of baldie first round players as XO. Like the case of the dude who decided to type out a badly worded announcement before the Benos crashed, and blew his own face off. When playing CO you see it all the time. But not so much when you aren�t on the CIC staff, because the COs are controlling everything, not the inexperinced XO. There are lots of good XOs, but most of them are future CO players. The whitelist isn�t hard to get, you practically just need to prove that you�re not a baldie, and not completely illiterate. There�s also plenty of people who speak English as a second language and still get the whitelist. It�s practically just a filter.

[Swagile]

Predator: Remove or severly nerf some of their capabilities then make them a round antag anyone can get (HPC removed or nerfed to plasma gun mode only, cloak made into Scout cloak with a slight boost in time (10 seconds instead of 6), armor made less tanky, etc).

Synth: OK as it is but backstory isn't really needed, no one really roleplays the backstory; its mostly a prestige role for heavy support players and should be treated as such. Apply, show you know what guidelines and role is about, and play for a couple months so your known by others as a support player.

Commander: OK as it is but same as above. No one cares about the backstory nor is it ever a major factor, and no, you don't prove you can write. I never did a backstory when I got my CPT whitelist and I would like to think im a decent CPT. It was just a poll vote by players to see if your known and acceptance by high staff after they know they can trust you (in this case it would be council now).

Thats mostly my summed up thoughts on whitelists.

[OestErreich]

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>Stories also show creativity and your ability to craft scenarios with your character. It's a good way to show that you care.
Yes but creativity and crafting scenarios was never brought up, I was addressing literacy. Since you failed to actually address my point, I assume it was valid. As for your """""point""""", creativity and ability to craft scenarios can easily be shown outside of your ability to write a fanfiction, a question like "What is an in-game scenario related to this role you would deal especially well with, both in terms of your actions and roleplay? What would your character's actions be in this scenario and why?" would show this, for example.

>That Joe Sixpack story wouldn't get accepted. Maybe instead of that, write about HOW your CO would act on the Almayer and write a story where your CO deploys MPs, issues a BE, etc. to show the community you know when to do it. Stories are like giving examples.
And this needs to be written in the form of a fanfiction because? Why not just have a question asking "How would your character react to this situation on the Almayer?" or "When would you issue a BE?"? Luckily we already do have these questions (albeit usually in the replies instead of the application itself) and they make the fanfiction part of the application irrelevant in regards to how and why your character would act a certain way in a situation.

>What? In many Synth stories they include a part where they perform step by step surgery, or perform construction of an APC, etc.
You display how your Synth interacts in stories to show that you know how a Synth would act in game. It's not 500 pages, either. Exaggeration only works when the point you're comparing is actually absurd, but in most cases, stories are 3 pages at most.
I may have asked this before but why does this need to be in the form of a fanfiction instead of, say, a question asking how the synth would act in certain in game scenarios? (also sorry for exaggerating, i get carried away and joke sometimes about very serious subject matters like video games, it's something i'm trying to control)

[Bishopil]

Predator: Remove or severly nerf some of their capabilities then make them a round antag anyone can get (HPC removed or nerfed to plasma gun mode only, cloak made into Scout cloak with a slight boost in time (10 seconds instead of 6), armor made less tanky, etc).

Synth: OK as it is but backstory isn't really needed, no one really roleplays the backstory; its mostly a prestige role for heavy support players and should be treated as such. Apply, show you know what guidelines and role is about, and play for a couple months so your known by others as a support player.

Commander: OK as it is but same as above. No one cares about the backstory nor is it ever a major factor, and no, you don't prove you can write. I never did a backstory when I got my CPT whitelist and I would like to think im a decent CPT. It was just a poll vote by players to see if your known and acceptance by high staff after they know they can trust you (in this case it would be council now).

Thats mostly my summed up thoughts on whitelists.

Predator: It needs to stay a whitelist. It's too powerful for anyone to roll.

Synth: Backstories show whether or not you understand how a synthetic would and should act. It's not a big deal to type a couple pages to show what you know. Don't reply with "show that by answering the questions!", because that isn't the same as showing that you know how a synth would interact with others.

CO: Backstory isn't as important for this role as it is for the others.

[scsnv]

The CO whitelist has a significant amount of responsibility attached to it. The power to take players out of the round entirely; the absolute authority on marine law, and control and oversight over the entire marine force/the tone and tempo of the round.

The story portion of the app has little to do with your backstory and everything to do with your RP and storytelling capabilities. We just need to be able to see that you�re actually capable of telling a story, and capable of promoting/directing RP with yourself and with others. I don�t care about your actual character unless they�re a snowflake. It just makes me think you�re unable to tell a story without the caveat that you�re a 20 y/o genius tactician CO.

The story doesn�t exactly have to be Shakespeare; if you put effort in, and make sure your story is fleshed out, and you speak English, you shouldn�t have too much issue. Not to mention consulting the Council and #whitelist-app-help; if people are genuinely scared off by the story, that�s silly.

I can�t speak for the other whitelists. To be entirely honest, I don�t particularly care about the Pred or Synth WL. But I cannot and will not support any changes to the CO WL at this time.

[Swagile]

Predator: It needs to stay a whitelist. It's too powerful for anyone to roll.

Synth: Backstories show whether or not you understand how a synthetic would and should act. It's not a big deal to type a couple pages to show what you know. Don't reply with "show that by answering the questions!", because that isn't the same as showing that you know how a synth would interact with others.

CO: Backstory isn't as important for this role as it is for the others.

1. Not too powerful if nerfed, but if not nerfed, they need to be removed. They add nothing of value to the round; rarely do they enrich a round and its usually only 1 or 2 people.

2. Not really, you could say the same about the CPT; CPT needs to know guidelines and be known as a CIC player. You don't need a backstory to show this; just play XO / SO / RO and show you know what to do then answer some questions and put up a poll. The same can be said about Synth; its just a super support player. Sure you have some unique things, like being able to be revived forever, and some strengths against neuro, but thats about it. They still don't need a backstory.

3. Read above.