"Knock, Knock, Knock".Originally Posted by Corocan
This is no longer first contact in our lore.
And USCM enlistement rates are already struggling as entire Falling Falcons battalion is a penal one. Criminals, religious fanatics (like myself), rookies, conscripts, disabled, nearly insane, too dangerous to be around normal troops etc.
However there is no point in micro-bombing marines. Cynadine pill in tooth, or something like that works wonders and it's spy-era "tech", nothing too hard.
Expected Contact is in its test phase until staff come out and say otherwise, so, to say first contact is gone isn't really true. Even so, my point was there's no reason we can't take elements of First Contact and insert it into Expected Contact.
AFAIK, the penal battalion thing isn't official lore, but is a generally accepted meme reason as to why everyone is how they are. If this is not the case, where in our lore does it state that?
Last edited by Corocan; 09-19-2019 at 11:25 PM.
https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Lore
" ...However, the marines that serve aboard these patrol transports are either volunteer forces or conscripted to their long voyages in outer territories where most luxuries do not exist." (About vessels like Almayer).
The Marines of the Almayer are shit tier because they are volunteers and conscripts, the expanded lore by the '''loremasters''' they talked about was that the Marines we play as are mostly green reservists who are only being deployed because they are the only people close enough to the operations zone.
The idea of the United Americas using penal battalions is insane, a Napoleonic era concept that I think was last seen usage in freaking 1940's China.
Yes, lets give prisoners, dissesents and cowards access to modern firearms, tanks and a spaceship and send them to the literal edge of Human controlled space. I'm sure five MP's will stop them from taking command of the ship and fucking off.
This is war, survival is your responsibility
Captain Alan Bentway
Synthetic: Nicholas
Hunter Kwei Ikthya-de
"Command structures are incredibly slow to respond to new developments in warfare. It would probably break immersion to have them develop anything to counter Xenomorph abilities. That, and if the game is based off the events of the Aliens movie, the marines are supposed to be poorly equipped and underprepared."
"We can easily handwave that the UAAC High Command thinks the xenos are a minor threat if compared to the CFL or UPP."
Lack of manpower and even gorified Hamburgericans will use penal battalions. Everything to throw at the enemy since it also uses untrained troops (CLF). Also Almayer troops get cheap ass MK II and shotguns that still use wood in construction. No explosive ammo, unusable AA etc. Mutiny alread happens from time to time. Everything comes together.
Last edited by CABAL; 09-20-2019 at 10:32 AM.
CLF are not affiliated with the UA in any way, they're a terrorist/freedom fighter group.
There's nothing to suggest the MK2 or their Shotguns are cheap or shit tier.
The "loremasters" stated the reason why we lack true explosive ammo or the AA systems, is that our ship was returning from a recent engagement against the CLF where in the majority of the ammo stocks were exhausted and the ship was moderately damaged.
This is war, survival is your responsibility
Captain Alan Bentway
Synthetic: Nicholas
Hunter Kwei Ikthya-de
I didn't said CLF is affiliated with UA.
Existance of WY guns that shoot the same bullets, but do more damage etc is a proof. It's 2186 and marines are still using pump-action shotguns, where semi-auto shotguns of better quality are available at red-alert armories. They are still using wood, where the only other weapons that do the same are cheap-ass CLF grade double barrel shotguns and old as fuck MAR family, or that makeshit shottie. In wiki it's stated that our standart pulse rifle has a chance to jam despite using caseless ammunition.
Borderline penal battalion and/or serious conscription involved. What CLF could do to a vessel like Almayer? Only ram it with some civilian ship, however that would take a chunk of Almayer, instead of lighty damaging AA. Also there is no "grayed out" option in Vendors for Explosive Ammo outside for those in M39. Gym that lacks any equipment probably due budget cuts, PFC's are literally untrained in anything besides shooting and a bit of CQC. They are so dumb that they don't know how to use syringe, or wear Spec's armor (despite it being toggled "off" as powergaming prevention, it still has to count to the lore". "Light Tank" that is slower than hungry lad in Heavy Armor.
Conscripts are certainly NOT prisoners. They're drafted from UA civilian populations. There's a major difference between conscripts and penals, that is why we have regular battalions and penal battalions as two separately recognized entities.
Pretty sure there is a loophole where you can be given ultimatum when you commit a crime in dire times like this. Either you go to prison, or you go to USCM, the choice is yours. Technically not prisoners, but damn close.
There's no where in our lore that states this is a de facto thing in the UA/USMC, nor in the Aliens lore, nor in the Predators lore. This isn't really even a thing in the modern day. All branches of the US military bar any applicants who are presently involved in a criminal justice case or are preparing to serve a sentence in prison. The only instances I could dig up of this happening is in movies about Vietnam.
Most penal battalions in real history were given literal suicide missions most of the time OR they were made as examples for regular troops as what could happen to them if they committed any crimes against their country while in service to said country. As far as I can tell, the Falling Falcons does not get suicide missions nor missions that would serve to be examples to regular troops.
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