No, it's definitely desertion to unlawfully avoid going to combat.Originally Posted by CABAL
No, it's definitely desertion to unlawfully avoid going to combat.
"In the military, desertion is the abandonment of a duty or post without permission (a pass, liberty or leave) and is done with the intention of not returning." - Wiki
"Refusing to carry out the duties essential to one’s post or abandoning post unauthorized, without intent to return. (Retreating from the planet when the FOB is breached is not Desertion, refusing to return when ordered is)." - Marine Law
How I can intent to not return when I'm not going anywhere? It kinda is "Refusing to carry out the duties essential to one's post", but it's still stupid and shouldn't be called "Desertion". In what military for refusing to deploy you will be treated as deserter? I can't imagine that marine who just don't want to go down has to be treated equally like Rapist/Murderer/Mutinier. It should be NOD, because otherwise it's literally the only capital crime that you can commit while still not breaking rules.
It has to be changed for the sake of RP atleast.
Last edited by CABAL; 11-02-2019 at 08:04 PM.
Refusing to deploy as a marine is "Refusing to carry out the duties essential to one's post.", simple as. IRL military has no bearing on it, if we did treat it like actual military none of the shit happening pre-deploy would ever fly.
If you don't want to deploy don't play marine, pick a shipside role.
No RP allowed in this god forsaken place.
I don't understand your point, are you asking that PFC chucklefucking shipside instead of deploying be allowed under the pretense of "RP?"
RP needs a believable environment. Roleplaying requires people to literally play a role. If you refuse to deploy and by doing so refuse to play your role, you deserve to be at risk of spending the round in perma. Ignore your role at your peril.
Once those basics are settled then we can talk about the lore and mechanics necessarily to improve RP on CM.
A PFC isnt an officer, pilot, or medic. They are one face in a crowd, a serial number waiting to become just another casualty, a statistic. A PFC is often aware of this, and if you read memoirs of soldiers in the nastier conflicts of history (such as Vietnam), you would not believe some of the hilarity, bullshit, and even "treasonous" activities (ie fragging) that PFCs did either to make life more livable or ensure they saw another sunrise. This is especially common in units with low morale (ie most of US forces in the later years of 'Nam).
We are the Falling Falcons, a unit of conscripts/new recruits/whatever-you-get-my-point who are sent to patrol an isolated, dangerous stretch of space in an old rust bucket with little hope of support or rescue if serious oppositions rears its ugly face. Morale will be low. Behavior will not align with your preconception of how a "professional" military unit behaves.
Command can't have everyone arrested, they need the manpower. So a natural consequence would be that certain behavior is overlooked, and punishments are, by necessity, reduced. In my mind, refusal to deploy would be best met with a knee to the groin and being thrown onto the dropship with the parting threat that if you came back up uninjured without the squad, you would be given reason to go to Medbay.
Last edited by Outcast Seer; 11-05-2019 at 04:36 AM.
Luca Jagemann, the cynical colonial with the prescription glasses.
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Exactly this. Especially the last part.
It's illogical in any shape and form that during times of increased conscription, there is still enough PFC's to freely perma brig them for refusing to deploy.
"Oh, you refuse to go down, where monsters just slaughter the lambs that other marines are, where each hand is important? Sure, pal, have a nice cell, you are safe with us." - APkeaton "basics of RP".
Desertion is objectively the wrong charge, as they arn't -leaving-. Desertion would be if someone ran away on the planet to fuck around. If you're still on the ship you clearly havn't deserted.
Ahelped it. Admemes say it is desertion for some reason.
Are you saying that because you haven't even started doing your duties, you should not have consequences for not doing your duties?
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