Jailbreaks

[SirMandrake]

Maybe the walls around brig just need to be stronger?

Yes, marines need a new holdout spot lol

[CABAL]

I seriously don�t understand where you�re reaching the conclusion that 30 minute brig jailbreaks are LRP. I think you�re not really understanding what I�m saying. If you have real, IC/RP justification for wanting to break out/doing a jailbreak then by nature it�s not LRP. Obviously time is a factor in whether or not a jailbreak is justifiable, but it shouldn�t be a determinant. You might be less likely to get IC/RP justification if it�s a 30 minute brigging (as opposed to perma/death sentence), but if you can justify it ICly there shouldn�t be any reason to brand it LRP. What I would say is to have it follow a similar procedure to mutinies (ahelping to make sure it�s allowed/valid).

Ok, find three reasons why it would be justifiable to try bust out a marine out of his cell with 30 minutes sentence.
But xenos hijacking dropship doesn't count, because he would be released anyway. Also unlawfull inprisonment doesn't count, just because somebody was wrongly prisoned, doesn't excuse adding real charge of jailbreaking.

[scsnv]

Ok, find three reasons why it would be justifiable to try bust out a marine out of his cell with 30 minutes sentence.
But xenos hijacking dropship doesn't count, because he would be released anyway. Also unlawfull inprisonment doesn't count, just because somebody was wrongly prisoned, doesn't excuse adding real charge of jailbreaking.

I mean, I'm not really capable of giving an example because I haven't ever RP'd in or had an excuse to start a jailbreak at any point in my time on CM. I'm just saying we shouldn't close off the possibility of it happening just because it's thirty minutes or whatever. If in a hypothetical scenario people have IC justification for it, and they (hopefully) run it by an admin and the admin says it's okay, I don't see any reason it shouldn't be allowed. I don't think it should be deemed OOC or LRP solely because of the sentence. If it's justifiable ICly, it's justifiable. And I certainly don't think all jailbreaks should be deemed OOC. That's all.

[CABAL]

I mean, I'm not really capable of giving an example because I haven't ever RP'd in or had an excuse to start a jailbreak at any point in my time on CM. I'm just saying we shouldn't close off the possibility of it happening just because it's thirty minutes or whatever. If in a hypothetical scenario people have IC justification for it, and they (hopefully) run it by an admin and the admin says it's okay, I don't see any reason it shouldn't be allowed. I don't think it should be deemed OOC or LRP solely because of the sentence. If it's justifiable ICly, it's justifiable. And I certainly don't think all jailbreaks should be deemed OOC. That's all.

It's not because you didn't RP'd, or had an excuse to start a jailbreak, because there didn't exist any if it's so short as half of hour. Any kind of example, even the most ridiculous, have a better solution:
1) Predator threatens that he will kill few random marines if he won't get to duel with marine that is in cell? Command can parole him, or MP's can atleast escort him to pred and let him fight.
2) Marine in brig is one of the last medics. Command Parole him.
3) Marine in brig is one of the last engineers. Command Parole him.
5) Marine in brig is one of the last Specs. Command can Parole him, Req can give spec kits etc.
Not a single justification, because there didn't exist one. Crimes that you have to commit to get "only" 30 minutes, or less are super minor, so they can always be paroled. One PFC/SL/Spec/SG/Medic/Engineer can be "replaced" one way, or another. MP's never arrest more than few marines and it's never like all medics commit crime and they all go to jail. If MP's arrest more two, then mutiny is nearly guaranteed.

I'm not against all jailbreaks, as I said previously: Permanent, or Death sentence should be a free game, even without admin knowledge. 30 minutes, or less should be ahelped.

[scsnv]

It's not because you didn't RP'd, or had an excuse to start a jailbreak, because there didn't exist any if it's so short as half of hour. Any kind of example, even the most ridiculous, have a better solution:
1) Predator threatens that he will kill few random marines if he won't get to duel with marine that is in cell? Command can parole him, or MP's can atleast escort him to pred and let him fight.
2) Marine in brig is one of the last medics. Command Parole him.
3) Marine in brig is one of the last engineers. Command Parole him.
5) Marine in brig is one of the last Specs. Command can Parole him, Req can give spec kits etc.
Not a single justification, because there didn't exist one. Crimes that you have to commit to get "only" 30 minutes, or less are super minor, so they can always be paroled. One PFC/SL/Spec/SG/Medic/Engineer can be "replaced" one way, or another. MP's never arrest more than few marines and it's never like all medics commit crime and they all go to jail. If MP's arrest more two, then mutiny is nearly guaranteed.

I'm not against all jailbreaks, as I said previously: Permanent, or Death sentence should be a free game, even without admin knowledge. 30 minutes, or less should be ahelped.

All of the scenarios you listed had nothing to do with jailbreaks. But we�re in agreement about it, it seems; death and perma should be allowed, and <30 minutes should be ahelped. I would maybe even say that maybe perma should be ahelped just to play it safe, but we�re pretty much on the same page.

[CABAL]

All of the scenarios you listed had nothing to do with jailbreaks. But we�re in agreement about it, it seems; death and perma should be allowed, and <30 minutes should be ahelped. I would maybe even say that maybe perma should be ahelped just to play it safe, but we�re pretty much on the same page.

They have everything:
OH NO! PREDATOR WILL KILL MARINES IF HE WON'T GET TO DUEL WITH THIS GUY! BETTER TO C4 HIS WAY OUT!
OH NO! LAST MEDIC IS IN PRISON! BETTER TO C4 HIS WAY OUT!
OH NO! LAST ENGI IS IN PRISON! BETTER TO C4 HIS WAY OUT!
OH NO! LAST SPEC IS IN PRISON! BETTER TO C4 HIS WAY OUT!

Marines were killed for things more minor, how can we trust that they won't abuse and grief jailbreaks if it would be allowed without restriction? This is why pill bottles have ID lock, this is why adult marines don't know how to make an injection, because they "wasn't properly trained". 9 year old would be able to stick needle in his thigh and inject fluid in syringe, but not "badass soldiers". They don't know how to wipe their own ass without "proper training".

That's the point, I can't even came up myself with remotely good (while even ridiculous) reason to think about shortening 30 minutes sentence, not even considering jailbreak with help from outside.

[scsnv]

They have everything:
OH NO! PREDATOR WILL KILL MARINES IF HE WON'T GET TO DUEL WITH THIS GUY! BETTER TO C4 HIS WAY OUT!
OH NO! LAST MEDIC IS IN PRISON! BETTER TO C4 HIS WAY OUT!
OH NO! LAST ENGI IS IN PRISON! BETTER TO C4 HIS WAY OUT!
OH NO! LAST SPEC IS IN PRISON! BETTER TO C4 HIS WAY OUT!

These are just reasons to get someone out of the Brig. Command would happily step in here; these wouldn�t end in a jailbreak. I imagine a jailbreak would be more in line with a marine being arrested and their squad mates being pissed about it, so they get them out. So more in-line with a mutiny - which is why I think it should be ahelped in a way similar to a mutiny. And even if IC/RP justification is rare/unlikely, which I don�t necessarily disagree with, I don�t think it should be disallowed. Though I know that�s not really what you�re saying.

Anyway, this thread and a couple others have nearly quadrupled my post count in less than twelve hours. So I�m gonna simmer down and let other people join the discussion if they want to.

[Snooper44]

Jailbreaks need to be ahelped. It becomes really dumb when you have metafriends (which is very often) trying to break out one of their friends because they were arrested for being dumb. If it was free-game nobody would want to play MP because you'd have entire squads of meta-friends rushing the brig which now is even more exposed to the marines.

[Slduggy]

Jailbreaks need to be ahelped. It becomes really dumb when you have metafriends (which is very often) trying to break out one of their friends because they were arrested for being dumb. If it was free-game nobody would want to play MP because you'd have entire squads of meta-friends rushing the brig which now is even more exposed to the marines.

This has never happened ever, the original ruling by a mod was that no jailbreaks pre-drop and no jail breaks unless they have a 30+ min sentence. Jail breaking is allowed as of now under those conditions.

The particular example i provided was from a particularly stickily Admin who rule zero'd my jailbreak without punishment.

[Vispainius]

Meta friends breaking out or attempting to break out friends is shitty.
If you ARE going to make a scene. AT LEAST make it more talkative and RP esque if you can before you start trying to fuck the MP over. At least then, everyone gets more immersed and some justification can be seen on both sides , rather than it just being a low Rp passive red/blue/yellow intent push brawl like a bitch to avoid fighting and getting arrested but still 'fight' thinking you have impunity because you aren't fully committing

The bigger issue is it doesn't matter what happened, many marines take any opportunity they can to fuck with MPs, some even doing so in a passive way that MPs (the nice ones, ) can't handle. I know that's ironic, but I've watched several MP mains or ex MP mains now who started out really nice and considerate but have turned into assholes on a scale that'd be probably what I've become due to marines fucking with even the most necessary arrests... even sometimes when there was nothing even happening involving MPs needed, marines start the shit with them. MPs just want to keep the peace usually, but if you fuck around lowrp a bunch then yes they can easily get on your ass. I'd prefer MPs over mods any day.

On that note, if you do get caught doing a naughty, take the punishment like man, if bored watch YouTube. Hopefully though, sometimes you get a breed of MP or couple who will actually make the brig stay interesting by just talking to you. Note, don't cuss them out. Go for other subjects. And don't forget, brig uniform looks sick as fuck rolled dowm, bonus points if you are in full body paint and roll down the prison jumper uniform.

Passive interference with a arrest would be something like bumping the guy repeatedly to prevent cuffing. Believe it or not , it's even more lowrp then pushing the MP without speaking at all or trying to cryo bag trap. It's happened to me and it's happened to others, the good MPs should and can just arrest those who do that on the charge of interfering in an arrest.

Jail breaks overall aren't that bad. Its just oversaturation can be bad. Additionally, if its something where marines are trying use it as some kind of justification to kill MPs, then absolutely it is bad in that case and even admins may need to get involved. Its one thing to break marine law and /or then free some guy from a short brig time. Its another to kill someone over it, let alone the MP force and possible, at that point, some of command if not all.

I say all this from my experience as a MP main, CO, SL and for a handful of cases where I was probably the shitty guy on the MP shitlist.