They would cause balance issues since all walls are C4able except Outer Hull, which Xenos can't melt.Originally Posted by Heraclitus
They would cause balance issues since all walls are C4able except Outer Hull, which Xenos can't melt.
Allowing jailbreaks just means marines will break someone out for a sentence because they like them OOCly or whatever, and possibly render one brig cell unusable while the MPs have to put the prisoner in another.
More people getting involved would make it even worse, it doesn't contribute anything to blindly allow.
Should be similar to mutiny, you need to have a good reason and to ahelp it and the sentence should be severe enough to be worth doing.
Otherwise it's a low rp attempt every so often because everyone thinks they have a good reason, like how arrests are now.
MPs making arrests now are in a poor place because you might have to deal with a group of marines who decide that marine law doesn't matter, and your actual tools to deal with said group don't actually work against them.
Actually trying to deal with the group just gets other marines involved as well because they were collateral in having to deal with an interfered arrest.
Allowing jail breaks lets marines take that even further, and what we have seen with marines being able to push an MP without needing a reason they will do so.
Ultimately emerald will make the ruling in clarifications, though I'm of the mind it should be what I suggested to make it a course of action that can be allowed and handled simply without barring it entirely.
I dont really like MPs in lowpop rounds. They can change the round entirely.
I remember playing as a PFC. Bravo engineer was on FOB duty then an MP asked him to get out of the DS or get arrested if he doesnt comply. If he doesnt go with the MPs "questioning"
Hes the only bravo engineer and the MP is literally threatening the whole operation (We had a captain).
I tried to argue with the MP that hes the only bravo engineer and the FOB wont get built.
Was trying to contact the captain but he was radiosilent.
THEN MUH MARINE LAW IS ABOVE EVERYTHING. Its just fucking stupid.. Please if you fucking play MP LOOK at the fucking manifest and STOP fucking arresting for minor crimes.
Turns out hes innocent. Missed two drops. He literally dropped at 12:35 ish.
Just give them an NJP. Stop being a fucking shittier. Thats why you guys get shot.
Agreed. Jailbreaks can be a great RP tool when you have a competent MP team and there is a legitimate grievance.
Personally, I think Marines should be barred from doing Jailbreaks as that would just be way too OP for MPs, and be way too disruptive for the round. It's important to keep a separation of shipside and combat roles to prevent too much round disruption, which is why Marines have so little access.
The new brig is extremely vulnerable and the layout is not great either. Its cramped and everything is more or less pressed together.
To break in you just need to shotgun down a wall and you can break into perma. You can breach into the CMP�s bedroom via conference room north of medbay.
So yes, the brig is way more vulnerable that what it used to be, if that was your question.
MP is boring as fuck. Nobody does anything to get brig time because they all know it takes fucking forever to get out for anything serious and once marines deploy you just sit around and fiddle yourself while looking for ANYTHING to do. People who actually fight and try to escape arrest is what makes MP fun.
I'm personally of the opinion that the sort of person who plays MP and then cries about marines interrupting/ganging you when you're performing arrests are the sort of people who just deadass shouldn't play MP. Arrests by themselves are not particularly fun. There's nothing fun with saying "You're under arrest for [crime]. Please lie down.", pulling out cuffs, and then slowly dragging the person to brig while they SSD. Those mains are the kind of people who can't comprehend that you shouldn't just walk onto a seriously crowded Alamo, alone, without backup or effective use of flashbangs, when your target is actively grab intenting through people to escape you. They expect everyone to just stop everything to let you perform your arrest.
They're also the sort of people who then complain that their tools aren't enough to arrest people.
They are. Easily. lmao.
Scream over comms for backup, prime flashbangs and tear gas nades, spam your taser, use your stunprod indiscriminately, carry spare equipment, and act FAST. Don't sit smack dab in the middle of a group of marines while they're recovering from stun and try to handcuff somebody, it won't work. Drag that person away while they are in stun and then slip the cuffs on them, or else you'll just get interrupted as you're cuffing somebody by a marine moving you. Don't be stingy with your stuns on people who appear to be attempting to interrupt. If it looks like they're trying, then just put them down ASAP.
Playing MP is a fucking BLAST when marines are rioting against you. The same marines who regularly fight back against MPs (Delta) are also the sort of people who don't behave unreasonably when resisting arrest. They won't pull out knives and start shanking you to death. They'll disarm you and bodyblock you, pocket your taser, pick up your flashbangs and throw them back at you, but they won't go lethal or escalate beyond what they should as marines resisting arrest. It's completely harmless the vast majority of the time, but way too many MP mains cry and bitch about arrests like that for some reason or another and it astounds me.
Jailbreak would, in all likelihood, be executed the exact same way. People aren't going to murderize the MPs in their attempts to rescue their buddy unless it's a Code Red escalating into Delta (boarders are on their way), they'll just try to redirect the MPs elsewhere while breaking down walls or hacking doors open. If MPs are breaking the rules by not having at least one MP watch the prisoners at all times, then they really do deserve to get people rescued from under their noses.
It's fair to say "it's an OOC offense to try to murder MPs while performing jailbreak unless under specific circumstances such as boarding AND the prisoner needs to have a long sentence", but slapping a complete and total OOC sticker on jailbreaks as a whole is just plain stupid when it has been handled ICly for a long time and is already in marine law. The server rules would be regressing if it was made an OOC offense.
uh, mutinies cannot be denied.
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Last edited by Kineem; 03-03-2019 at 02:03 AM.
That part about mutinies has not been updated to match current staff policy.
Mutinies do need an actually valid reason or any moderator can deny them.
Adkins also possess rule 0 to deny them if they think allowing one would be purely detrimental to the round allow a mutiny, or take other actions to address one if they like.
The rule written on the wiki is obviously a hold over from when Rahl(la) was Host. The question I have is: What happened between then and now that made staff change their mind on this rule? Have mutinies been a constant problem plaguing the server? Have players abused this rule to grief the round?
Yes, yes they did.
Well, I can see a lot of grieving in the future, if this is let loose for unregulated IC RP. But I would suggest it should be allowed via ahelp, cause there could be a situation or event, that would make for a great story. Otherwise it's just annoying. Most of the time it also makes no real sense RP wise, as stated before.
Think about it: Those guys are on a ship, a space ship out in nowhere. There is a major threat down on the Planet/Station and the only way back to Earth (insert random colony) is via the same ship and crew. So you blaze into the brig, kill or hurt the MPs and all others would go along with it?! Either this Person/Group would be court marshaled on the spot (again, far of any JAG or Military installation, and no time to waste on criminal behavior in the corps), or put in the freezer and dealt with later, meaning taking you out of the game. Not really funny.
Regarding the location of the brig. While it could do with a makeover in layout (especially the CMP office and break room) I for once think the position and size is much more reasonable than the old one. I also would not want to see the Brig or MP Role beeing cut entirely, that just takes away from the variety.
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